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CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:25 am

Kyodo news in Japan reporting the following:

Aug. 5 (20 :35) Continental to inaugurate Nagoya-Honolulu flights in December - NAGOYA

I wonder what equipment they will fly this with?
 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:52 am

I'm skeptical, you can fly HNL-GUM-NGO, I cannot believe there is so much demand to warrant a HNL-NGO. There isn't even a HNL-NRT, which I would think would yield higher loads.

Can you provide a link of the news?

BTW, if it is true, it would more than likely flown with a 764...
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tpac
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:03 am

Just a blurb on this link:

http://home.kyodo.co.jp/all/news.jsp?news=business&an=
 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:23 am

You forgot active with the link < > and here it is:

http://home.kyodo.co.jp/all/news.jsp?news=business&an=

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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:38 am

Here's the story from the Honolulu Advertiser:

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Aug/05/bz/bz08a.html

Aircraft will be a 764.
 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 5:10 am

thisis awesome, I've been waiting for more service out of Hawaii'n cities. Its too bad AA jumped on teh NRT bandwagon befoe we did, now let's hope CLE is next!!!
 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 5:15 am

I'll be damned - that's great news...I wonder when it will be posted on CO's website?
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:01 am

Co "retired" their 747s but i imagine they will use either a 739 or a 777.

If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:11 am

but i imagine they will use either a 739 or a 777.

If you took the time to read the articles supplied you would see that you imagined wrong.
 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:34 am

Thanks for correcting me i did not read all the links but now that I did it is clear that they will be using the 764.



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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:43 am

i wonder if we will see any more flights added in the Hawaiian markets.....with teh new winglets maybe a second HNL-GUM flight more than once a week, or even some added west coast flights to theislands with our new 738's.......any thoughts.............
 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:58 am

Very unusual move for CO, they have not been active in the Hawaii-Japan market and opening a route from Honolulu to Nagoya is a bold step.....I wonder if the scheduling will alloy for connections to LAX, IAH and EWR?

Didnt America West once fly the HNL-Nagoya route (as a continuation of their PHX/LAS-HNL 747 flights) and wasn't the route later picked up by NW?

By the way, the CO-Micronesia 764 aircraft dont have the 35+200 configuration......the 764s operated on the Hawaiian routes (except the EWR-HNL flight) usually have only 20 seats upfront with a larger coach cabin. Any ideas?

[Edited 2004-08-05 23:59:08]
 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:05 am

"There isn't even a HNL-NRT"

There used to be, CO flew HNL-NRT untill about 1999 or early 2000.

Back in 1997/'98 when the US reached the open skies agreement with Japan CO was awarded rights for a "SECOND" HNL-NRT flight as well as a HNL-KIX flight, getting landing slots though is another issue with regards to Narita.
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:06 am

it could be a 764 instead of the 76H, there may be some higher yield in this market instead of the others, plus I'm not sure how many 76H's we actually have.
 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:24 am

The 1415 departure from HNL will allow connections from EWR, IAH and LAX. In addition it will also allow connections from NWAs SEA, PDX, MSP and DTW flights. This flight also connects to the NWA flight to MNL from NGO.

I would have thought NWA would have been the one to restart service, before CO launched this new service. Maybe there will be a redtail between HNL and NGO in the future, even with this flight.

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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:26 am

I expect there will actually be a large number of new unique flights announced as we get closer to the new airport opening.

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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:57 am

I am very happy to see this flight into NGO. I have been living in NGO for years and try to get to Hawaii at least two times a year. Now I either have to go through KIX or NRT if I want to fly with NW, but now I can take this CO flight and still add to the ever important FF miles. The current JAL flight is full most of the time, so there is definately a market here, now I am just waiting for NW to restart their flight.

Wishful thinking? With CO and NW joining Skyteam soon, can I hope to see a Skyteam mini-hub at NGO or the new Chubu airport? NGO used to have Delta, KLM, and Air France service. We still have CO, NW, and KE service, with AF returning after the opening of the new airport. I would love to see this happen as I really dislike NRT and KIX is tough to get to. Just my wishful thinking.

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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:07 am

Homer71... Think otherwise. The Japanese love their Hawaii. http://www.ehawaiigov.org/hnlflights/
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:10 am

so maybe any other new pacific routes in the making?
 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:16 am

I think ships 062-066 are the 76H. Can someone please doublecheck for me thanks. Also will it be CO Mainline, CO Mike f/a's doing this route?


Thanks.
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:39 am

COAB767,

5 76H's currently as you mentioned, 062-066 are the fleet numbers indeed. The DNU mentioned that 45 furloughed f/a's would be recalled by CMI. That's the best news of it all.

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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:28 am

CO has historically been strong in Nagoya, with twice daily DC-10s from Guam. Since the retirement of the DC-10 fleet I think CO has switched Nagoya to 3 x's daily 737-800 from Guam.

I have a hunch that this flight might also mean the resumption of Widebody service between Guam and Nagoya...

Guam-Nagoya-Honolulu-Guam.

They might be able to make this work with the 767-400s already based in Guam, without taking the aircraft from another route.
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:31 am

I read this thread started and couldn't believe my eyes. CO starting a nonhub route is a real shocker. Maybe this is just the start of CO adding flights from HNL-westward. I remember the "good old days" when CO used 747s from HNL-HNL.
 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:15 pm

As stated many times over, this is a very bold move for Continental. I suspect that this flight will be codeshared with Northwest, as the latter is a much stronger force in the Hawaii-Japan market, although Continental used to be one, too.

Honolulu-Tokyo was dropped by Continental primarily due to a lack of slots. They were only flying the route thrice weekly at the time that they dropped it, and decided that it would be more profitable to focus Narita flights from Newark, Houston, and Guam.

Does anyone think that Newark-Nagoya flights might be on the horizon? The Honolulu flights are clearly being launched in direct coordination with the opening of the new airport in Nagoya, which will supposedly serve a large chunk of Central Japan. Currently, no airline flies between the East Coast and any Japanese city outside of Tokyo. With Nagoya being in the center of one of the world's most populated and industrialized regions, I'm sure a 777 flight from New York could work with time.
 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:43 pm

Interesting to see that CO is timing the flight to arrive and depart HNL roughly the same time as JO. JO84 arrives in HNL at 0755 and departs HNL at 1410, while CO is scheduled to arrive at 0800 and depart at 1415.

Maybe we'll eventually see CO reopen the FA and pilot base in HNL if they keep adding flights.
 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:59 pm

Newark-Nagoya?

That would be fantastic. As I fly the NW NGO-DTW flight a lot (almost always full), I know there is a good sized market in NGO for flights to the US. But currently NW has the only direct flight. NGO is in desperate need of a West coast flight, and an East Coaster would be nice too. I guess I will just have to wait and see what happends once Chubu opens.

BTW, I think that GUM-NGO is only twice a day right now.

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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:37 pm

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a 76H? Is that a 764 in CO Mike configuration with 20 in F as opposed to the normal CO layout?
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 5:33 pm

I am kind of surprised that the start date for this route is not Feb. 2005 when the new airport opens. I suppose CO wants revenue earlier, as Japanese go on vacation during the winter holiday.

Japanese tourists are returning to Hawaii with vengeance so perhaps more flights to various parts of Japan are in store, not just to KIX or NRT.

I serious doubt CO would fly any route direct to the US mainland for now.
Perhaps a UA or NH flight to SFO and/or ORD maybe in the works when the new airport open. NW may increase flying at the new airport too. AA may consider service as well to DFW or ORD.

Japan is ever slowly climbing out the decade long recession but don't expect any sharp growth.
 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 5:52 pm

Acidradio,

Yes on the 76H, they're the CMI run planes...

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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:48 pm

The article in the Honolulu Advertiser states that the aircraft will feature 35 BF seats and 200 Y. This implies that the route will be flown with a the normal 764, the a/c which is used to fly across the Atlantic, rather than the 76H, which is flown by Continental Micronesia and by Continental on its Hawaii routes. Could this merely be a result of shoddy reporting, or will the flight actually be flown by the 764?

It was mentioned earlier that although Continental should have no trouble securing a widebody a/c to open this new route in the winter that it might be short on widebodies during the summer, when more routes are upgraded. In regards to this issue, I believe that Continental will eventually have to order more long range aircraft, most likely the 7E7, if they ever make money again. However, for the time being, adequate tweaking of their schedule will allow for Honolulu-Nagoya(and possible Newark-Lagos) to be launched. The 764 to SDQ could be replaced with multiple daily narrowbody flights, DUB's 764 may be a 757 for next summer(as it has been rumored that Ireland will receive three 757 flights instead of this summer's 764 and 757), and there are still one or two 762s flying EWR-LAX that can be moved to transatlantic flights.

Basically, Continental should be ok for some modest international growth for the next several years. But after those few years are up, however, they will need new widebodies in order to continue expanding.
 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:17 pm

The route will be run with a 764. CO says continued demand for HNL, and the fact there is a large demand out of Japan, made the route possible.

If there's such a demand for Hawaii, I want to see at least a Saturday-only CLE-HNL!!  Big grin
 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:26 pm

Goodness, if you follow this link, VIEW ALL ARRIVALS (just click on the "Search" button), you'll see that there IS a demand from Japan. http://www.ehawaiigov.org/hnlflights/ Come on folks. Don't act blind.

[Edited 2004-08-06 16:29:26]
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:54 pm

Kalakaua, okay, okay, we get it...Japan loves Hawaii, thank you for nailing that point for us! Big grin
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:28 am

The CO press release says the 767 will be configured 35BF and 200Y.

http://www.continental.com/vendors/default.asp?SID=021E78FFC6974295BD07BE820444D3AA&s=&i=PRNews
 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:48 am

The EWR-HNL flight usually operates with a 764 in the 35+200 configuration, so it may be possible that the new Nagoya flight will operate in rotation with the EWR flight....something for the scheduling people to figure out.

CO is streching their wide-body capacity, but there is certainly extra capacity available during the low winter season on the north atlantic.......however, I would not expect the 764 domestic operations to return this winter - CO sometimes flew a 764 on the MCO-IAH-LAX route - that route, for example, will likely now be served with a 753. I do disagree with Ishky15 on one point, however (sorry), the EWR-SantoDomingo route is likely to keep its 764 or 777 as CO hauls lots of pax AND freight on that route and needs the widebody there. As for next summer, its a long ways off, and depending on what new routes CO does decide to open, the schedules will be tweaked. CO has more or less stated that most new European destinations will be served with the 752 (with or without winglets), and if the long awaited IAH- F R A or IAH-MAD flights are introduced, there is a 762 doing LAX-EWR-LAX this summer that could be swapped, along with the rumors about using 757s year round on the Irish routes (3 flights during the summer). Also, dont forget that CO still has an outstanding paid-for option on another 777, and the Lagos service, while long discussed, is far from a sure thing.

 
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RE: CO HNL-NGO

Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:17 am

Dutchjet-

I, too, agree that it seems unlikely that Continental will remove its 764/777 flight from the Newark to Santo Domingo flight. That route brings in a ton of money for them in both cargo and pax, as you mentioned, and I was merely mentioning it to emphasize the fact that their widebody fleet can be juggled around to allow for new routes such as this one.