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Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:29 am

Emirates has one A310-300 left in its fleet. Its registration is A6-EKL and it will remain in the fleet until March of next year.

Emirates' single A310-300 is in a two-class configuration of 21 Business Class seats and 177 Economy Class seats for a total of 198 seats.

Emirates will no longer operate the A310 to Istanbul and Beirut starting this September.

Emirates flies daily to Istanbul on A330-200s except the Saturday flight which is on an A310-300. Starting September 18, that flight will upgrade to an A330-200. All flights are on two-class configuration aircraft.



Emirates flies 12x weekly to Beirut on A330-200s except the afternoon Tuesday flight which is on an A310-300. Starting September 21, that flight will be upgraded to an A340-300. All flights are on three-class configuration aircraft.



Beirut will become the 7th A340-300 destination after Casablanca, Frankfurt, Johannesburg, Osaka, Perth, and Shanghai.

Emirates only brought back the A310 to Beirut back at the end of March as part of their frequency increase from 11 to 12 flights a week.

This will mean that Emirates' only A310-300 routes will be Bahrain, Karachi, Muscat, and Tehran. Only some of the flights on some days of the week to these destinations are served on A310-300s.

The A310-300 flights to these four cities will switch to other aircraft with the start of the spring schedule at the end of March.

I always thought the A310-300 looked great in Emirates colors. It will be missed.

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Does anyone know the exact date of when Emirates will return A6-EKL back to the lessor? Anyone know its fate? She's a relatively new A310 being built only in 1993.

And before anyone asks, yes I made the timetables in Microsoft Excel. I've been practicing and learning how to use Microsoft Excel lately as I'll need to know it for college. So I did them for practice, took just a few minutes.  Smile

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:37 am

Sad, really. Such a cute plane.

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:55 pm

Didn't they have some routes into DOH as well on a 310?
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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Fri Aug 06, 2004 5:00 pm

I thought EK uses the A310 for traffic to Pakistan like PEW or ISB.
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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Fri Aug 06, 2004 5:32 pm

For many of their regional flights, EK will plonk any plane they've got on any given route on any given day.

I've flown DXB-DOH or DOH-DXB many times on EK, and I've flown on A332, 772, 773, and the last time, the A310. I've not yet seen an A340 on the route though.
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Fri Aug 06, 2004 5:35 pm

I am definately going to miss this plane. She looks quite cute and also did a great job for EK.
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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:22 pm

Personally, good news for me, as my wife is frequently flying DXB-IST on standby, and Saturday usually is a convenient travel day for us, so I appreciate the extra capacity (and she the better comfort of the 330)
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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:40 pm

Great job BA on your excel work  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

A310 had been EK's work horse during the 90's, to destinations like:

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LGW (If you have ITVV's Virgin Atlantic 747Classic DVD, an EK A310 can be seen in LGW towards the end of taxiing):
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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:26 pm

I'm sure that Air Iindia are just waiting for these birds to add to their expanding A310 fleet !
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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:16 am

The EK A310s could go anywhere. If AI doesn't take them up, then I'm sure Syrian, Iran or Libyan airlines would be in the queue.

It would certainly help them as they might find buying stuff problematic still.
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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Sat Aug 07, 2004 4:59 am

I'm sure that Air Iindia are just waiting for these birds to add to their expanding A310 fleet !

AI has already added the former A6-EKP as VT-EVX, but the A310 fleet is not likely to grow any more beyond the addition of VT-AIG and VT-AIH for a total of 21 airframes.
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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:57 am

Didn't they have some routes into DOH as well on a 310?

They did recently, I'm not sure when they stopped. Perhaps sometime earlier this year.

I thought EK uses the A310 for traffic to Pakistan like PEW or ISB.

They used to, but not anymore. They switched PEW to A330s sometime about a year ago after the runway in PEW was upgraded to handle the A330.

PEW was the reason why they kept this single A310. Because until relatively recently, PEW could not handle the A330.

I've flown DXB-DOH or DOH-DXB many times on EK, and I've flown on A332, 772, 773, and the last time, the A310. I've not yet seen an A340 on the route though.

Airlines do last minute aircraft equipment changes often.

I know until relatively recently, they did used to fly the A310 to DOH on a scheduled basis, but it has been a while.

Emirates does not fly the A340 to DOH on a scheduled basis.

Currently the A340-300 serves the following routes:

Casablanca
Frankfurt
Johannesburg
Osaka
Perth
Shanghai

As mentioned in my post, they will start flying them to Beirut on the Tuesday afternoon flight starting September 21st.

The A340-500 serves the following routes:

Auckland
Christchurch
Melbourne
New York
Sydney

I took the time to type up a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet showing what routes each of Emirates' aircraft serves based on the week September 20 to 26. Here is the link if anyone is curious:
http://mea707.lrehosting.com/emirates.html

If anyone finds any errors, let me know! And yes, I'm only doing these for practice. It's not a job, although that'd be cool.  Smile

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:39 am

Whitehatter,

Syrian is planning on acquiring some new Airbuses. I read it in a Lebanese newspaper a while ago.

They want to renew their fleet with modern aircraft. I think they will get more A320s.

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:45 pm

Where does the 310 operate on a Saturday? I have seen that they do a morning rotation on DXB-BAH-DXB but then I didn't find any 310 flights anymore.
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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:26 am

Swissgabe,

Take a look at my post. You will see it operates to Istanbul.

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:13 am

BA,
if not mistaken I checked it in the CRS but it didn't show up. I will do that once again tomorrow and maybe I will find it then ...
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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:52 am

Swissgabe,

Here it is straight from the schedules, I circled it for you in red:



Effective until September 11. It switches to an A330 on September 18.

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:34 am

Thanks BA, I found it in Amadeus as well. Just curious, the above Schedule, guess it is from EK, is it connected to a CRS or does it work on the basis of a data file?

Even when comparing different CRS's, you will find different aircraft types on the same flight number. I had this problem recently with KE's 743 flight. In some CRS the NRT-ICN flight was listed as 744 and in Galileo as eg. as 743 flight. I wonder if EK would do a equipment change a few days before departure, if it would display in the schedule above.
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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:38 am

Swissgabe,

I noticed that the Emirates schedule usually is updated a few days after the CRS (when checking Amadeus). I assume that it is connected to the CRS, but is not updated at the same time, but pretty close.

For example, when I saw that EK was going to upgrade the Tuesday BEY flight from an A310 to an A340-300 on Amadeus, the change appeared a few days later on the Emirates flight schedules.

I always check Amadeus before the Emirates schedules. I only use the Emirates schedule to find out what classes are offered on the flights. But when it comes to schedules, aircraft equipment, etc. I always use Amadeus.

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:52 pm

I was checking yesterday in the CRS, the flight from DXB to IST today was scheduled with an A332.

And now as well on the EK website.
From To Departure time Arrival time Total travel time Aircraft type
Dubai Istanbul 2:35 pm
14 Aug 04 6:00 pm
14 Aug 04 4:25 Airbus Industrie A330-200

Could be an ad-hoc change of acft equipment. I would love to fly this plane before it goes ...
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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:03 am

Thanks for the info Swissgabe.

Yeah it looks like a last minute change of aircraft.

If you want to definately fly the A310, try Beirut. When I was in Beirut, I spotted the A310 every Tuesday that I was out.

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To

Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:10 am

I'm sure they'll be longing for the sensibly sized A310s once they start parking their surplus A380s, at least they won't have to look far for deserts to store them in.
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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To

Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:09 am

This constipated-looking aircraft will definitely be missed...
 
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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:37 pm

I love the A310-300 but I still don't see the interest for an airline like EK to keep a single a/c of one type in its fleet during such a long time... Nuts
 
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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:12 pm

I would be glad to visit BEY one day. The only problem is, that I normally do "weekend-trips". But if I might get some extra days, I consider flying via DXB to BEY and check out the 310. However, MEA is as well on the top of my want to fly list.
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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:10 am

However, MEA is as well on the top of my want to fly list.

That's good to hear.  Smile

Check out my trip report if you want to get an idea of MEA's service.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/47770

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:04 pm

Emirates actually uses the A340-300 on a number of other routes. Although not officially "scheduled" the acft has operated these routes so regularly over the last 3 months that its as good as scheduled. These routes would be LOS, ACC, NBO, EBB and DAR. The acft also ops into LGW once in a while. The 343s have operated the following routes on an occassional basis in the short-time they've been in the fleet, mostly to cater for one-off demand fluctuations or because of other acft going tech. These routes are DOH, KWI, IST, LCA, ATH, HKG and DUS.

As for the upgrade to IST -- yes this will be now operated by A330s from the end of the summer. However the Saturday flight will operate with a 3-class config. acft but sold as JY.

Once the B777-300ERs start arriving next year they will replace A343s on some of the routes eg. JNB. The 343s will then start flying to new destinations such as SEL and TPE.

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:22 am

Emirates777...who told you about EK starting TPE and ICN flights next year with A 343s???

I am interested in knowing the source of your info pertaining to the above 2 destinations please...thanks  Smile
 
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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:14 am

Asian press carried an article on it last year. Of course things always change at the last minute at Emirates, but from another source i understand these routes are the next in line for Asia. Thereafter it will be Beijing in China. The 343 is well suited to operate this length of routes. The acft type is not 100% confirmed.

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:29 am

Emirates777,

Why are they going to start flying the A340-300 to Beirut (BEY) on the Tuesday afternoon flight? Is it because they don't have enough A330-200s? Or is the extra capacity of the A340-300 warranted?

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:30 am

BA

I think its largely due to lack of available A330s at Emirates. Note the A343 acft has been used considerably over the summer to routes like NBO, DAR and EBB as well as LOS and ACC to cover the extra capacity required. Now that the summer season is coming to an end by mid Sept. the A343 aircraft schedule has some gaps.This is why it will be used on the Tue flight to BEY and the Sat flight to FRA (EK045) will be upped to an A343 also. I have also heard that some of the LOS and ACC flights will also permanently be upgraded to A343 - the Mon and Fri flight.

The A310 will be redeployed elsewhere - mostly BAH, KHI, THR and MCT, but it wouldnt surprise me if the SEZ route will initially be started with A310s a couple of times a week due to the general shortage of acft.

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:53 am

Emirates777, do you know if EK ever plan to increase their flights to CAI from their current 8x weekly flights? They've been like that for the last few years.

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:53 pm

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From what i understand there are strict seat limits on the DXB-CAI route under the air service agreement. Emirates would like to go upto a double daily but are currently restricted by this agreement. During the summer season Emirates are allowed to operate extra flights to alleviate the demand. In fact for the back to school season Emirates will be operated a no. of extra flights using B772s and A332s during the last week of Aug and first week of Sept.

I know Alexandria is in the pipeline but havent heard anything suggestiing flights are commencing anytime soon.

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:24 am

Thanks for the info Emirates777, it's the answer I suspected. Besides EK and MS, SQ also have 3x weekly B773 flights on the route (with 5th freedom rights) and they've wanted to increase flights to 4x weekly to CAI since summer 2003 but aren't able due to the current bilateral agreements between Egypt and the UAE. I think the main obstacle to an expansion is the Egyptian Authorites, who want to protect, Egyptair, who recently increased flights to DXB from 4x weekly A320 to 8x weeekly A330/A300 flights in May, so there have been some increase.

Also EK seem to use their 773s on at least 2 of their daily EK926 flight even though it shows as 772 in the schedules. And yes, during this summer there have been extra flights put on but all have been with A332 (EK3928, EK3296 and EK3294).

About EK increasing flights to CAI, I have differing opinions. Even though I want them to increase flights to 2x daily as it would mean more traffic, at the same time I know it would result in MS and SQ reducing capacity on their own flights as EK airfares usually/always undercut competitors.

Now finally about Alexandria. Currently Egyptair operate a weekly CAI-ALY-DXB-ALY-CAI A320 flight (year-round), and there were reports that the proposed DXB LCC carrier, SmartJet, would launch flights on the route with B757s, but I guess that never materialised, as the Dubai Authorities have effectively banned any LCC carrier from operating in/out of DXB. I've been hearing about EK's plans for HBE (Alexandria's Borg Al-Arab) since 2001, but nothing firm. Rumours indicated they wanted to have 3x weekly A332 flights (HBE can handle aircraft upto the size of the B777).

Have EK got plans for any other Egyptian destinations like Luxor or Sharm El Sheikh?

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:34 am

Horus
Thanks for the info and insight into the Egypt market - most interesting.

From what i recall Emirates have on the odd occassion substituted the 773 - both low and high density versions on the 925/926. Based on info i have some of the extra flights are indeed sched. with 772s (all in low density config).

I don't think there are any plans for Sharm Al Sheikh or Luxor for the moment. Emirates did operate a one off charter to SSM during Eid ul Adha a couple of years ago.

I think the decision to ban LCCs from DXB is a blatant own goal by Emirates. On the one hand they complain about traffic rights and access into markets they want to expand into, and on the other they are using their leverage (owned by the Maktoum family) to push out competition. Furthermore, the LCCs will likely do the most damage on some of Emirates short/medium haul routes where they tend to make good money.

Gotta go..

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:36 am

Emirates777,

Can you provide me with detail of these extra flights?

Now relating to the ban of LCCs from DXB, the UAE Authorities are planning to build a new airport called Jebel Ali, by 2006 that will have 6 runways and will be 8 times the size of the current facility. They plan to allow LCC to operate from that airport along with charters, cargo and logistic flights. (source: Airliner World, September 2004)


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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:38 am

Horus

As for the extra flights here are the details:

29 Aug 2004 EK3927 DEP DXB 0730 ARR CAI 1020 B777-200 High Density
29 Aug 2004 EK3928 DEP CAI 1135 ARR DXB 1610 B777-200 High Density
31 Aug 2004 EK3925 DEP DXB 1940 ARR CAI 2230 A330-200 Low Density
31 Aug 2004 EK3926 DEP CAI 2345 ARR DXB 0420 A330-200 Low Density
07 Sep 2004 EK3925 DEP DXB 2245 ARR CAI 0135 A330-200 Low Density
08 Sep 2004 EK3926 DEP CAI 0250 ARR DXB 0725 A330-200 Low Density
09 Sep 2004 EK3927 DEP DXB 0730 ARR CAI 1020 A330-200 Low Density
09 Sep 2004 EK3928 DEP CAI 1135 ARR DXB 1610 A330-200 Low Density

There may be some more, once i hear of them i will let you know.

Yes i saw the article in the magazine. Lets see what happens.

Next months airliner world will be interesting as it will have a big feature on Emirates.

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:01 am

Thanks Emirates777

Are they using the 'low density' A332s as they have bigger premium (F and C) cabins?

So you have subscriptions to Airliner World too? The article should be interesting.

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RE: Emirates A310-300 Routes Going Down From 6 To 4

Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:58 am

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I think they are using the A330-200 low density largely because these are the available acft. Ideally they'd like to put on larger acft but these are tied up on the trunk routes and these tend to be full anyway so difficult to switch them. Don't know whether the extra flights are sold as FJY or JY. Emirates often ops flights using 3 class acft but sells seats on a 2 class config.

Actually i just buy AW in the shops here.

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