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AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 3:50 am

I find it pretty unusual that AC operates the 763 on YYZ-NRT. Has this been this way for a while? I thought they had a 343 on the route.
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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 3:53 am

I found that it operates as a 343 now, but as of Nov 1st, it will be a 763. Is that pushing the range limits for this aircraft?
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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 4:44 am

AC doesn't stuff their 763ERs with seats, but even then this route is really pushing the range capabilities of the aircraft and would surely have payload restrictions Westbound.

I seem to remember that CP also had a YYZ-NRT nonstop flight but on the DC-10-30ER in the mid-90s. That was also somewhat pushing the aircraft's range.
 
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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 11:26 am

It is only 4660 SM (4050 NM) from Vancouver to Tokyo, so this is well within the range and capabilities of the 763.

I'll say I was suprised at the distance, guess Tokyo seems father away than it really is from the Pacific coast.
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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 11:48 am

Is it non stop from Toronto or is the flight routed through Vancouver with an equipment change there but the same flight number when it goes on to Narita? Many airlines do this. Same flight number, different equipment after a stop.
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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 11:51 am

"It is only 4660 SM (4050 NM) from Vancouver to Tokyo, so this is well within the range and capabilities of the 763."

YYZ is Toronto, not Vancouver (YVR)
 
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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:12 pm

dosen't the 767-300er have better range than 330 or am i mistaken.
 
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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:30 pm

Indeed, YYZ is Toronto. And the flight is non-stop YYZ-NRT. I don't think it is horrible that it is a 763, but I just find it strange and pushing the limits of range. I know CP use to operate YYZ-HNL with their 763.
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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:35 pm

I found that it operates as a 343 now, but as of Nov 1st, it will be a 763. If it were me, I would keep the Airbus A340-300 on the route.
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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:36 pm

dosen't the 767-300er have better range than 330 or am i mistaken.
Depends. Most new 330s have a better range than most 767s, but a brand new 767-300ER has better range than an A330-300X.

The A330-200 has superior range to 90% of 767 models. A brand new 767-200ER equals it.

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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:13 am

I can't see a 763 YYZ-NRT non-stop. Aside from being too narrow and the passengers feeling claustrophobic on a 14-hour flight, it would be critical that there be a YVR stopover.

No, the absolute minimum should be a 340 for a non-stop YYZ-NRT flight.

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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:19 am

I can't see a 763 YYZ-NRT non-stop.

Well, it's loaded in Amadeus as a daily 763 from Oct 31st. It's preferable to stopping the flight altogether which AC has done numerous times in the past.

Aside from being too narrow and the passengers feeling claustrophobic on a 14-hour flight

I see your point but it's still subjective. If someone is going to be claustrophobic on a 14-hr 763 flight, they will likely also be claustrophobic on a 14-hr 343 flight.






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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:29 am

YYZ-NRT is 10324km long. Pretty thight considering the B763 of AC can go 10549km. Dont forget that the plane has to have a hell of a lot of extra fuel to do an approach at NRT, overshoot, hold for a bit if need be, go to its alternate, make an approach there as well and land.

Add a bit of headwind on the westbound flight, and you'll soon find the fuel tanks on the B763 go on empty well before the coast of Japan.

And yes, the B763 has a better range than the A333 (10549km vs. 9067km)

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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:43 am

For starters, it is offseason, so loads will lower so it won't be hard to impose a payload penalty. If AC averages 150 passengers on the flight, and doesn't carry any cargo, it can obviously extend the range on those days on which the winds permit. On the days that it doesn't, a fuel stop in Anchorage is still preferable to either not operating the flight or routing it through Vancouver, which already has a daily Tokyo flight. AC also pushes the limit of the 767 on Toronto-TLV, and on occasion a fuel stop in Newfoundland is necessary on the westbound, but that's still preferable than making a connection in Europe. I'm sure that in AC's thinking, it is better to offer the service, even with the odd fuel stop, than to either discontinue the route or to fly it with a half-full A340. That A340 can be put onto routes where it can deliver larger loads.


 
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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:09 am


I see your point but it's still subjective. If someone is going to be claustrophobic on a 14-hr 763 flight, they will likely also be claustrophobic on a 14-hr 343 flight.


If anything I would prefer one less seat per row on a long flight like that...I wonder if people who complain about the 767 on flights over 8 hrs have actually flown it compared to other aircraft. I'll take 7 seats per row over 6, 8, 9, or 10 any day. Less chance of an ogre in your row  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

It will be interesting to see how many times (and where) the aircraft has to make a fuel stop...probably ANC I guess. Now, what kind of loads AC is expecting on this route in the winter - and if the are low would the 762ER not be a better choice? I am assuming that all the cargo will be routed through YVR to meet the payload restrictions.

 
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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:34 am

AC's 762ERs are all older ones without as much range as the new model ones (aka the ones they sold CO). The PW powered 763ERs have the most range of any in the AC fleet, and with a load restriction should be legal no problem.
I have a funny feeling this will be NRT-YYZ-YVR-NRT... no problem eastbound but stopping westbound.
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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:33 am

The 763 input may also be a misprint by AC. Don't forget, AC under brankruptcy protection and still losing millions daily has had to slash staff drastically so their computer operations are probably short-staffed. If you ask anyone at AC, they'll probably say that they're staying with the 340 for YYZ-NRT.

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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:28 am

AC was flying the 763 between YYZ and NGO (Nagoya) for a while there... Not sure if it was an ER or not, but it was definitely a 763. Either way, a transpacific flight like that can't be pushing the limits of the 763 too much, right?
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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:39 am

Either way, a transpacific flight like that can't be pushing the limits of the 763 too much, right?

From YVR, no. AC has several flights to East Asia from YVR with the 763ER. For YYZ, the published maximum range for the 763ER and the Great Circle distance between YYZ and NRT are almost identical...so it would really, really be pushing it if this aircraft substitution is indeed true.
 
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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:49 am

You know what... I goofed. I meant to say YVR-NGO was AC's 763 route.
You're right CPDC10-30... sorry.
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RE: AC YYZ-NRT On A 763?

Sat Aug 14, 2004 10:40 am

I see no problem with the 763 operating this route. great plane!...But ill really miss the DC-10s from CP......times are a changin....
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