asianguy767
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Potential Customers For A346?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 4:41 am

Please let's not let this get into a A vs B thread but can we just list which airlines we think or hope would be operating the A346? I am thinking maybe,
1) QF (to replace their B743s)
2) KL (to replace B743s)
3) NW (to replace B742s)
4) MH
5) GA (to replace B742s)
6) CI (to replace B742s)
7) OA
I stand corrected if you hv more updated info, but this is just my opinion.
 
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 4:48 am

1) Maybe, that is up for debate
2) Not a chance (772/773)
3) Probably not (see 6)
4) Nope (772 user already)
5) Who knows? That one would be 100% politics
6) Would not think a RR powered aircraft would suit them
7) Absolutely skint so not a prayer
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 4:50 am

1) QF (to replace their B743s)
2) KL (to replace B743s)
3) NW (to replace B742s)

Those three have already outlined their replacement plans, and NWA seems to be favoring additional 744s.

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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 4:50 am

KL --- I assume they will get B773ERs, given that they already have B772ERs.

OA --- I doubt it. They seem to have dropped most of their long haul routes recently and,
for some time were flying their A340s ATH-LHR (do they still do that?) I can't see why they would need an even larger long haul plane...

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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 4:54 am

You are forgetting SQ who are openly seeking the A346 and 777-300ER  Big grin
 
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 5:00 am

1/ 380 replace 744, 744 replace 743
2/Did that with 772 already
3/maybe
4/ 777 users already
5/ They have a few 777 due 2007 onwards
6/ CI 742 are long gone, they crash the last one two years ago.
7/ They found the 343 too hard to fill

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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 5:29 am

Definitely not KL, who don't even have any Airbuses in service yet (330s on order), are doing well with the 772ER and would likely move up to the 773ER.

OA would have to have a huge pax increase to justify 346 purchase, and with finances and management in a delicate situation no chance of any new aircraft at the moment. In answer to SNATH, AFAIK the OA 340s are frequent visitors to LHR in the summer season, but officially it's the A306/734.

QF, the only airline involved in the 777 Development Programme not to have ordered so far, seem to be showing more interest recently. So a 346 order is unlikely IMO.
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 5:37 am

5) GA (to replace B742s)

Where would they go with such a large aircraft? Do they fly anywhere anymore?
 
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 9:19 am

I dobut you will see the A346 in the QF fleet. The 777 seems a more likley option. However the 743's have just been brought back into service but they will most likley be phased out whe then A380 arrives and routes that tha 743 flies will be replaced by 744's eventually.
 
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 5:19 pm

I hope but I doubt:
JAL
MAS
SriLankan Airlines
Swiss
Aeroflot
Finnair
Air Namibia
Air India
Vietnam Airlines

Possible?
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 11:27 pm

I hope but I doubt:
JAL
MAS
SriLankan Airlines
Swiss
Aeroflot
Finnair
Air Namibia
Air India
Vietnam Airlines


JAL : No chance, B772/3 more likely.
MAS: No chance B772 flying already, B773 more likely
SriLankan : Possible.
Swiss : Possible
Aeroflot: No Chance, Using B772 already
Air Namibia: Possible
Air India : No chance, they're still planning to get A343s.
Vietnam Airlines: No chance, using B772s already.
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Sun Aug 08, 2004 11:37 pm

I hope but I doubt:
JAL
MAS
SriLankan Airlines
Swiss
Aeroflot
Finnair
Air Namibia
Air India
Vietnam Airlines


Adding on to the above reply:
JAL- Loyal to Boeing
MAS- Pretty loyal to Boeing
SriLankan Airlines- Possibly, but I doubt seeing them order anything for a few years, or until things get figured out
Swiss- They (well, Swissair) were a 346 customer, so they could order it, but probably not until things get better for them
Finnair- The MD-11s will be there for a few more years, and I would bet that they would go Boeing as a replacement
Air India- Possibly, but there have been a few 777 rumors

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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:00 am

Adding on to the above reply:
JAL: No chance, B772/3 more likely.
JAL: Loyal to Boeing


Again, adding to the above reply-

JAL: No chance in hell, already accepting deliveries of 777-300ER

SriLankan Airlines- Possibly, but I doubt seeing them order anything for a few years, or until things get figured out

SriLankan is, from what I understand, entering a sort of boom (maybe a bad choice of words) after their low point in 2001 when terrorist destroyed four SriLankan Airbi. Fleet growth could be in their near future.
 
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:19 am

Granted I haven't seen any info on Air Tahiti Nui's load factors, but assuming they do well with their A340-300s, I could see them ordering an A340-600. Although I'd think that they would order a 500 first, as Tahiti is pretty remote and could use an ULR aircraft.

How about some of the up and coming Chinese airlines. I have to admit that I'm pretty uninformed about their operations, but with both Boeing and Airbus lauding the booming SE Asian Airline market, maybe we could see a Chinese airline picking up a few. Any opinions?
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:26 am

China Southern already operates the A346.

As for emerging markets, both the 777ER/LR series and the 345/6 are overkill. Airlines instead may not buy them specifically for range, but their payload capability.

But money talks. These planes are so prohibitively expensive, that an extremely strong business case must be made for them.

I dobut you will see the A346 in the QF fleet. The 777 seems a more likley option. However the 743's have just been brought back into service but they will most likley be phased out whe then A380 arrives and routes that tha 743 flies will be replaced by 744's eventually.

Qantas will hold onto their 744's for quite a long time. The need for either a 345 or 772LR is always rumoured, but doesn't make too much sense at the moment. The case for either is, by far and large, a wet dream for most Qantas fans, IMO.

And for some reason, everyone on this forum seems to think that every airline in the world can afford 777's. Good for speculation, perhaps...
 
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:30 am

Aeroflot actually is possible. They have only 2 leased 772. But they also have many other types in their long-haul fleet which is a mess. One they decide to clean it up we may see some buses (as they selected 319/320 for short haul).

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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:44 am

Buckfifty,
Are you sure about that? China Eastern operates the A346, but China Southern operates the 772 (for longhaul I mean...I know that they are getting some 332s)...unless a deal that I have not heard about has been struck.
 
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:39 am

GA A346?
Where would they go with such a large aircraft? Do they fly anywhere anymore?


Not a chance for the next 5 years! Their 742s and DC10s are being replaced by 737-700s for short haul, A330-300 medium haul, and the 777-200s for long haul flights to supplement the dismal long haul fleet currently of just 3 744s and 6 A333 medium haul.

Why not a chance for A346? They don't need it. They've selected the 777-200 as their tool for rebuilding their European network along with A330-300 flights via Dubai as the 3 A333 options get exercised (God Knows when but it's hotly discussed in GA).

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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:41 am

Buckfifty,
Are you sure about that? China Eastern operates the A346, but China Southern operates the 772 (for longhaul I mean...I know that they are getting some 332s)...unless a deal that I have not heard about has been struck.


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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:52 am

Am curious as to why some here say that just bcos an airline operates the B772ER there's no chance for them to try out the A346 esp QF, MH n GA when they also have the A330 in their fleet...
 
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:54 am

I think will some of those airlines to replace older 747 aircraft and will make switch to their new A40 aircraft anytime soon. They will like goes on with their A346 aircraft.
 
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 4:05 am

SafetyDude,

Finnair- The MD-11s will be there for a few more years, and I would bet that they would go Boeing as a replacement

You could say why... They did go Airbus for their short-haul fleet so going
eventually Airbus for their long-haul fleet might make sense for them.

Danny,

Aeroflot actually is possible.

I agree too, but only if they really need the the capacity of the -600
(I don't think they have a plane that big right now...).

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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 4:13 am

Air India : No chance, they're still planning to get A343s.
Air India- Possibly, but there have been a few 777 rumors


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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:33 am

How about some of the up and coming Chinese airlines. I have to admit that I'm pretty uninformed about their operations, but with both Boeing and Airbus lauding the booming SE Asian Airline market, maybe we could see a Chinese airline picking up a few. Any opinions?
Quite a few Chinese airlines have placed an interest in the 7E7, and have been rumored to have paid a deposit for 60 (including options). The articles around the time of all of this seemed to suggest that the 7E7s would be used on routes that the 346 could also be used on, so I would rule out a few of those Chinese airlines.

You could say why... They did go Airbus for their short-haul fleet so going
eventually Airbus for their long-haul fleet might make sense for them.

True, but for some reason I think (purely in my head, mind you) they would go Boeing.

I do hope I'm proved wrong. But as I mentioned on another topic, it's better to stick with goals that don't need divine intervention!
I have not been able to fully read that AI topic, but perhaps you would like to give a summary of the rumors?  Big grin

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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:40 am

Although I'd think that they would order a 500 first, as Tahiti is pretty remote and could use an ULR aircraft.


TN did evaluate the A340-500, and determined that their destination for it (CDG) was too far and the winds too vicious to carry an acceptable payload.

The 777-200LR would probably arrive at their destination fine, but TN doesn't have the money to pay what Boeing wants for one, so they'll likely stick with what they have.

Further, buying 2 777-200LRs makes less sense than buying 2 A340-500s to go with a fleet of 5 A340-300s. When you're talking a small fleet, commonality is even more important.

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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:56 am

Finnair- The MD-11s will be there for a few more years, and I would bet that they would go Boeing as a replacement

You might be right with this, SafetyDude... The A346 is too big for all AY routes, so the future order will definitely be splitted as A345/A346s or B772/B773s.... I said this on other thread earlier, but the CEO of Finnair (Keijo Suila) have had a huge B772 plastic model on his desk now for a couple of months.... and wearing full AY c/s!! I know airlines get advertising stuff from manufacturers, but that is still quite unusual I would say...

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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:47 am

Quite a few Chinese airlines have placed an interest in the 7E7, and have been rumored to have paid a deposit for 60 (including options). The articles around the time of all of this seemed to suggest that the 7E7s would be used on routes that the 346 could also be used on, so I would rule out a few of those Chinese airlines.

The two aircraft are essentially apples and oranges. 7E7's, by current definition, are too small to operate long haul trunk routes unless used in high frequencies (which is also the reason why CX has already nixed the idea of having the 7E7 as part of it's fleet). There is the argument that such is the way of the world, but then it would also rule out the existence of such behemoths as the 773ER, which is almost twice as expensive as what a 7E7 would cost.

Chinese airlines often have no traditional fleet logic in terms of their aircraft choices. Often, the purchases coincide with either significant work share/tech transfer deals, or are politically motivated. In essence, the best deal of the day wins.
 
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:57 am

I said this on other thread earlier, but the CEO of Finnair (Keijo Suila) have had a huge B772 plastic model on his desk now for a couple of months.... and wearing full AY c/s!! I know airlines get advertising stuff from manufacturers, but that is still quite unusual I would say...

Eh... Herb Keller has an Airbus cigarette lighter. Wouldn't put to much stock in an Airbus order though  Big grin
 
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:00 am

What about bmi they are looking to expand there long haul routes. Possibly could use it on routes from Manchester to china.

Aeroflot i could see potentially buying either 330s poss even order the 346. The Russian political ties with France are quite strong but I dont know whether that will make a difference.

Kuwait airways could order one or two possibly they have some older a340 types.

What about TAP they also operate the 340 they could possibly buy 346 or 345
 
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:02 am

Egyptair are considering re-ordering 2 A346s (plus 2 options) to replace the capacity of the retired B743s.

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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:15 am

Anybody mentioned Air India as a possible candidate if the A343 sale goes ahead. By the time bureaucracy and internal politics wrangling, it may be discontinued!
Another is Aerolineas Argentina. I am not sure on status of its current order.

A long shot may be Asiana or Korean Air as the latter has a sizeable A330 fleet and former on order but with the 772ER in their fleet who knows.

 
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:39 am

The two aircraft are essentially apples and oranges. 7E7's, by current definition, are too small to operate long haul trunk routes unless used in high frequencies (which is also the reason why CX has already nixed the idea of having the 7E7 as part of it's fleet). There is the argument that such is the way of the world, but then it would also rule out the existence of such behemoths as the 773ER, which is almost twice as expensive as what a 7E7 would cost.
See: "The articles around the time of all of this seemed to suggest that the 7E7s would be used on routes that the 346 could also be used on."

Why those Chinese airlines are thinking of "apples and oranges" as one is beyond me, but that is what was reported in the articles.

Eh... Herb Keller has an Airbus cigarette lighter. Wouldn't put to much stock in an Airbus order though
First of all, WN is all-Airbus, while Finnair has Boeing and Airbus. Also, Herb gets to "feel the power" of lighting Airbus up every time he smokes.  Big grin

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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:02 pm

I think Air India (AI) may become a customer for the A340-600HGW.

The reason is simple: AI needs a plane with enough pax/cargo capacity to fly from BOM/DEL all the way to Europe and onwards to North America. Despite the issues with the Indian government bureaucracy, the government in India knows that for AI to grow they will need modern long-range airliners, and the A346HGW fills the bill best.

Also, Don't be surprised that South African Airways (SA) could get a deal where they trade in their current A340-600 fleet for the longer-ranged A346HGW, which may make it possible to fly at least one direction between JFK and JNB/CPT non-stop year-round.
 
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RE: Potential Customers For A346?

Tue Aug 10, 2004 1:53 am

Guy's, on my list I said: I would like, but I doubt!
I'm aware of the points listed down and it is well known which airline are loyal to Boeing and where it would be possible that they would go for the 346.
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