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Will There Be A Widebody From A New Company?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:09 am

Airbus and Boeing are the sole manufacturers of widebody aircraft now, but do you think in the future their is a chance that some of the smaller companies out there may come out with a widebody aircraft of their own?
 
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RE: Will There Be A Widebody From A New Company?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:20 am

Not in the next twenty years.
EMB is owned by Airbus....
BBD doesn't have the money...
Japan and China and Russia are happy to collaborate...instead of innovate...

Who would it be? Cessna?
 
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RE: Will There Be A Widebody From A New Company?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:21 am

Yes. There are even two that could build new ones there. Their names are Ilyushin and Tupolev.
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RE: Will There Be A Widebody From A New Company?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:24 am

Would love to see Antonov 224 as a pax.jet  Wow!

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RE: Will There Be A Widebody From A New Company?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:24 am

Yes, I would also say Tupolev has a chance if the economy in Russia ever improves. They have a lot of knowledge and infrastructure. Isn't the TU-204 a widebody? I thought it was about the size of a 767.

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RE: Will There Be A Widebody From A New Company?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:28 am

Rekkof and Avcraft?  Big thumbs up

Seriously, Tupolev and Ilyushin could really build new ones like Blue Sky1976 stated above. Personally I believe also that Embraer is just on the edge of breakthrough like Airbus was 15yrs ago... So I guess they are strong candidate, but not in 10 years at least.

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RE: Will There Be A Widebody From A New Company?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:30 am

EMB owned by Airbus??? Am I missing something here?

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RE: Will There Be A Widebody From A New Company?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:50 am

EMB owned by Airbus??? Am I missing something here?
A European consortium owns 20% of EMB. Airbus is one of several European companies of this consortium - nothing more.

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RE: Will There Be A Widebody From A New Company?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:56 am

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RE: Will There Be A Widebody From A New Company?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:27 am

Seriously, Tupolev and Ilyushin could really build new ones like Blue Sky1976 stated above.

With Aeroflot picking up 777s and 767s, and Eastern Block countries going for Airbus and Boeing... there is no real market for a Tupolev or Ilyushin wide-body. They just don't have the support infastructure for western and modern airlines to take them seriously.

Personally I believe also that Embraer is just on the edge of breakthrough like Airbus was 15yrs ago..

Not likely. You factor in the European ownership of Embraer, the fact that a modern widebody cost 10 times as much to develop as the E170-195 family, and the fact that between Airbus and Boeing there will be a rock-solid array of widebodies... doesn't make sense for Embraer to leave their niche.

Isn't the TU-204 a widebody? I thought it was about the size of a 767.

It's wider than a 757/737 but narrower than an A320
 
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RE: Will There Be A Widebody From A New Company?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:34 am

It is certainly proven that there are great successors to other companies...take Lockheed and Douglas...they were what Airbus and Boeing are now today during the piston age...so I certainly believe that sometime within the next 50 years we will see one or more companies rise up to challenge Airbus and Boeing...that would certainly make aviation a bit more interesting for me  Big thumbs up. Tupolov I must say has great potential, as they are already making giant jetliners...I would imagine at some point they will break through...Embraer is not quite that far yet...they have built express jets and turboprops, but nothing in the way of medium-sized to giant jetliners...however, that does not mean they won't in the future. three or four competitors are better than two  Big thumbs up
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RE: Will There Be A Widebody From A New Company?

Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:38 am

If Solnabo meant to say An-124, then I would agree, it would be great to see the An-124 re-engined and sold as a cheap widebody. The problem would be crew costs. It takes what, 4 or 5 pilots to operate? It would have to be reconfigured into needing at most 3 pilots, and I have no idea how much that would cost, along with refurbishing the interior for passenger use. Maybe they could do a combi configuration, with passengers in the back half or so, along with the rear upper-deck, which I believe can seat 88(?) pax. and cargo in the front, therefore reducing the amount of refurbishing that would have to be done.