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What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Mon Aug 09, 2004 11:54 pm

http://ships.bouwman.com/Planes/Bad-Jet-Engine.html

You'd have thought that some of the passengers would have noticed and raised a ruckus....
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:04 am

Whoa isnt there a law against the The usage of the engine?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy What type of airplane was that? and what airline?

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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:11 am

Judging by the photos - it looks like an Air China 747.


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Judging by the paint scheme of the fuselage (what you can see of it) and the fact that it has 4 engines - that would fit in...

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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:16 am

I think it's unbelieveble that such a known carrier as Air China gets involved into something as bad maintenance. China is going to be one of the biggest marktes in the world for leisure and business and if people see this, they wil not chose for Air China...

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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:18 am

What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft :

- Female FA's above the age of 21.

- Male FA's

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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:25 am

That is truely sad. It's sad that the income of revenue is far more important than people's lives. If I were a passenger and found out that my life had been put in jeopardy like that, all hell would've broken out in China.
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:30 am

I recently watched the Discovery channel's program about the crash of AA Flight #191, the DC-10 that went down at ORD in May 1979.

In a re-eenactment of the TO run, passengers look out the windows to see the No.1 engine busting up and off the wing. Now there is something you don't want to see, especially if you are on the aircraft
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:30 am

I think this was a Freighter flight?
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:34 am

The fact that it flew is amazing but the airline/cargo service obviously flys the planes till they crash and burn. I have also heard that CAAC the Chinese airline removes the instruments from the cockpits as they do not believe in electronics. Do a photo search on flight decks on caac.
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:43 am

Come on people...

That engine is fodded out. That was either a pterodactyl or it swallowed an RAF Harrier whole. That was not an in-flight occurrence, and no one in their right mind would light the candle on that one.

That looks like somebody took initial evaluation pictures and produced a bogus story.

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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:43 am

I have also heard that CAAC the Chinese airline removes the instruments from the cockpits as they do not believe in electronics.

ROTFLMAO!

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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:07 am

Miamiair: Thank you.

The engine was victim of a FOD, so it was removed from the A/C.

Maybe it was strapped to prevent it from windmilling in order to make a ferry flight on 3 engines, but I refuse to believe any crewmember would, in his sane mind, take off on a revenue flight with only 3 engines. This could simply lead to grounding the whole frickin' airline if the authorities realized.

It is easy to get some pictures of a fodded engine that was strapped for a ferry flight and use it to destroy an Airline or a country's reputation. Plus this is hardly a reliable source, which takes advantage of the fact that there are so many gullible people on the net to make sensationalistic news.

And apparently it works.

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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:35 am

More than two engines
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:54 am

I agree with those who say it sounds bogus - as soon as I read it I was practically heading for snopes.com to see if it's shown up there. (I don't see it, but it might be there somewhere; might not have propogated enough yet though.)

I would think more likely than making a three-engine ferry flight, though, this engine was probably ferried as a fifth engine, which 747's are capable of carrying. You really can't tell much from these pictures, though.
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:08 am

Less than two engines for longhouls....

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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:19 am

Big problems in replacing big engines in a foreign country. I remember an AN- 124 that sat down at DFW a few years back and had to get a replacement engine flown in from the Ukraine.

Main problem was that Customs would not pass the new engine into the US unless a huge import tariff was paid on it. The other problem was that the maintenance facility had to obtain funds in cash up front from the AN's owners before they would allow the faclities and labor to be used to install the new engine.
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:34 am

That is clearly not an Air China plane. Air China has grey engine cowlings, and this plane has blue ones if you look at the photos close enough. Get your facts straight before naming and shaming!!
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:36 am

Bogus! That guy can't even spell right.
 
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:49 am

Is BLOODY a bad word?.......sorry.
 
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:59 am

I have some serious doubts about this one. First of all, people love to bash Chinese airlines, but although there was good reason back in the 80s, these days Air China is a reputable airline that I am quite certain would not let a revenue flight take off with an inoperative engine. Furthermore, I don't recall hearing anything about this incident in recent memory, and I am fairly sure that something this scandalous would have been pretty big news in the aviation community. Finally, those photographs mean nothing--the engine is just sitting in a hangar next to what appears to be an Air China aircraft. It is not even installed.

I have no idea what the real story behind the photos might be. Maybe it really happened as described, but 20 years ago. Or, more likely, maybe it's just a photo that is totally out of context. I'm sure the truth is out there somewhere...
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:15 am

Has anyone visited any of his other pages?

Interesting series of shots involving an NW ARJ and a jetway. Where did that happen?
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:50 am

No, THIS is what you don't want to see on an aircraft!




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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:56 am

>>>No, THIS is what you don't want to see on an aircraft!

Yeek! Mommiiieeee.. Make it stop!!!!

Come to think of it, maybe -that's- what caused the FOD'ed engine in the first place--someone jumping into the running engine rather than have to sit next to MJ...  Big grin
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:09 am

Boeing4ever: you scared tha living s**t out of me with that picture!
 
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:18 am

screaming, crying, infants, out-of-control toddlers and CELLPHONES.
The last thing I want is to be on a transcon with passengers yapping their way from one coast to the next. I enjoy the quiet, it is a break from a hectic schedule.

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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:01 pm

OMG!!!!!!
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:08 pm

Stirling,

Interesting series of shots involving an NW ARJ and a jetway. Where did that happen?

It looks like MSP.

Here's the link if anyone is curious in seeing this incident...

http://ships.bouwman.com/Planes/NW.html

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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:31 pm

That ARJ incident happened a couple years ago to ship 528. It was big news then, but then it faded away. That was one of their newest ARJs as well.
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:12 pm

"That is clearly not an Air China plane. Air China has grey engine cowlings, and this plane has blue ones"

I'm sorry but I beg to differ.

Whilst I agree that the other engine in the photo has a blue cowling, the aircraft is clearly white with blue stripes - the only airline that has 4 engined aircraft from China with that livery is Air China.

The engines were replaced in Frankfurt (not China), therefore they would have replaced with whatever airline's engine they could get. It is not unusual for an aircraft to have an engine with another airline's livery in situations like this.

And for your information, I was not "Naming and Shaming", I was answering the question as to what airline it could be, based on the what the picture shows.

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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:40 pm

Look at the angle of the wings doesn't look as a 747 but more as a AN124 or IL-76 so I would either conclude that this was a Cargo flight! I don't believe that this happened on a passenger flight!!!
 
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:09 pm

Hi all,

Neither of the engines in the first picture are attached to an aircraft so they may not even be from the aircraft shown in the background. If you look at the wing you will notice two things: Firstly you can clearly see the fairings for the trailing edge flap runners. The position of these mean that the aircraft is facing the opposite way that the engines are facing and therefore it is possible that neither engine is even from this aircraft.
Secondly, as stated by luxair, you can clearly see the angle of the wing slopes quite steeply downwards. This is definately not a B747 wing unless it has some even bigger problems than an engine with FOD!!!.
I would have to agree with luxair and go for an an124 or il76.

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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:26 pm

it looks like that wing belongs to a neighboring aircraft, not in the picture. as is a common configuration for parking more than one airplane in a hangar...
 
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:21 pm

I lend no credibility to this story, this is a ridiculous story. I don't have more words on that.

To say more about the credibility of this site:
http://ships.bouwman.com/Planes/CutUpTrainer.html

Chainsaw? Yes he measured and marked exact spaces on the aircraft and then chainsawed it meticulously while no-one else noticed!!
These are clearly cuts by the propeller of another misguided plane that culminate in the wing and being destroyed as the other aircraft was forced to a halt.

 
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RE: What You Don't Want To See On An Aircraft

Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:40 pm

Dudes...worse things have been done by flight crews...*cough*Aero*cough*flot*cough*...damn this cold. Big grin

But hey...Michael, aka Latoya, Jackson might be one creepy pax to see, but I'd rather have him onboard, than this pimple in the butt...



Now, where's that chute?  Big grin

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