CALMSP
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UA--DEN-KOA

Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:58 am

What was behind the reason for cancelling this service back in the day?
 
scottysair
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RE: UA--DEN-KOA

Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:02 am

I found out with their timetables schedules for service from DEN-KOA will made continues on their Saturday only service to KOA with UA.

[Edited 2004-08-10 03:06:53]
 
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RE: UA--DEN-KOA

Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:02 am

The service still operates. It is seasonal. This winter it operates 6 November 2004 through 2 April 2005.
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RE: UA--DEN-KOA

Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:04 am

haven't seen it in the computer, kind of odd they wouldn't have it in the summer as well.
 
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RE: UA--DEN-KOA

Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:07 am

Thanks, MAH4546 and it will made go year-round for seasonal flight to KOA and I remember when I was there in KOA from 8 years ago.

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RE: UA--DEN-KOA

Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:13 pm

If memory serves, I read somewhere that this flight is block purchased by a cruise or tour operator to feed the cruise ships. Perhaps they change thier schedules, thereby loosing a lot of consistant revenue for us.

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RE: UA--DEN-KOA

Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:22 pm

Norweign Cruise Line is bringing another ship online in the Hawaiian Market. I forgot the name (Pride of Aloha I think)...They brought the Pride Of America online a few months ago to do freestyle cruising. Pride of Aloha is the one that is damaged in the German Shipyard. Total, when completed will be 3 cruise ships carrying something like 6000 passengers total for 3-7 day cruises. From what the Honlulu Star Bulletin frist claimed, Norweign's ships are almost booked to capacity.
 
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RE: UA--DEN-KOA

Wed Aug 11, 2004 1:11 am

Norweign Cruise Line is bringing another ship online in the Hawaiian Market

What does that have to do with DEN-KOA service? The Hawaiian ships arrive and depart from Honolulu. That would be like an airline adding service to RSW to feed the cruise ships at the Port of Miami or Port Everglades; it just won't happen. Somehow I am sure UA can fill the plane or any plane in the winter to Hawaii without needing the non-existent cruise passenger revenue.
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RE: UA--DEN-KOA

Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:36 pm

I was offering a fact that supports FA4UA position that cruise ships can help increase seat capacity by block purchasing seats in the Hawaii market. Here is a example quote from NCL.com:

"In addition, the company announced that it would offer a Maui embarkation/disembarkation option on the Honolulu-based Pride of Aloha, resulting in a seven-day round-trip cruise from Maui as well as the current seven-day round-trip cruise from Honolulu on Pride of Aloha. NCL’s third Hawai`i-based ship, Norwegian Wind, will continue her popular 10- and 11-day Hawai`i and Fanning Island itineraries from Honolulu. Norwegian Wind sails under the Norwegian Cruise Line brand....

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Maui embarkations supported by new United flight

Today’s announcement coincides with the introduction of United Airlines’ new non-stop Chicago-Maui-Kona service, which complements its recently introduced daily non-stop flight from Chicago to Honolulu.

'United’s new direct route from Chicago to Maui-Kona supports our Hawai`i deployment, especially as we introduce new Maui embarkations for Pride of Aloha and Pride of America,' Veitch added."

--Since these cruises are taking more seats from previously paying HNL connections, airlines can increase their direct city pairings to increase sales and competitive advantage.

While this is not why DEN-KOA seasonal service is in existance, it hopefully expands on my point that Cruise/Tour Operators increase in port embarkment dates during the winter season indirectly helps expand nearby markets.

[Edited 2004-08-11 08:13:22]
 
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RE: UA--DEN-KOA

Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:46 pm

Yes, this is a seasonal flight. According to the UA timetable, UA1652 ends on September 4. This is normal; it'll be back at the beginning of high season. It is served with a 763.
 
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RE: UA--DEN-KOA

Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:04 pm

This is a Sat only service. I know it is operating in the summer, not sure if it is year-round, or summer-only.
 
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RE: UA--DEN-KOA

Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:58 pm

It operates in the summer AND winter.
 
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RE: UA--DEN-KOA

Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:28 am

NCL has a huge contract with UA for flights to HNL, but unless I am not recalling correctly, Kona is not even a cruise port. It is Sat only service for vacationers and it was a 757 in years past, never a 763. Hopefully it will be a 763 this year?
 
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RE: UA--DEN-KOA

Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:49 pm

It is Sat only service for vacationers and it was a 757 in years past, never a 763.

Actually, it has been a 763 for some time now. I have seen it many times.