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British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:59 am

A British Airways jet was forced to return to Bush Intercontinental Airport Wednesday afternoon when the pilot detected engine trouble.

Approximately 15 minutes after takeoff, the smell of fumes forced the pilot to return the plane to Bush Airport.

According to British Airways, the control tower reported they saw smoke as the plane landed.

The Boeing 777 landed safely and all the passengers were evacuated at which time they discovered a fire in the jet's engine area.

The fire was extinguished by emergency personnel. No injuries were reported.

A portion of the airport was closed down because the passengers were evacuated onto the tarmac.

Airport officials say they were at least 130 people aboard the flight.

Mechanics are inspecting the 777 and arrangements are being made for the passengers.

Does anyone have any other info???? Seems very weierd for a new 777. WHat kind of engine were they?
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RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:28 am

"Weird for a new 777"

Why?..... not to mention they have no "New" 777's, it could be upto 7 years old. Engines are RR or GE.
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RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:38 am

BA runs some with GE90's and some with RR Trent892's. I someone can get the Reg# i could tell you which engines.
 
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RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:02 pm

BA's 777's have been having issues lately. Let's just hope no fires on the 777 that's carrying the bags back to pax. Holy poop that would be funny. Well not really just a very very odd happening.

  • Fuel Hatch left open

  • Engine Fire

  • ******ISSUES WITH THE BAGGAGE T7******


  • The 777 is a great a/c and will have no issues. Quick fix (maybe a new engine?) and she'll be back in the air!

    Thanks again!

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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:17 pm

    Well i saw her parked on the North Ramp accross from Term D in IAH. Hope she will be ok. I am trying to find out the registration for you. Im just glad that all the passengers were evacuated ok.
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:17 pm

    BA had a close call with a 772ER in DEN a few years back. Fuel truck pulled away while it was still pumping causing a serious wing fire, killing a member of the ground crew. I'm hoping this wasn't as serious

    Why?..... not to mention they have no "New" 777's, it could be upto 7 years old. Engines are RR or GE.

    The newest 777 that BA opperates was delivered October 30, 2001 if my info is correct. Not brand-new, but broken-in none the less.

    [Edited 2004-08-12 05:19:08]
     
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:17 pm

    Does it seem like there are many 777's having emergency problems? Seems like we here UA having them often...now this BA....does anyone else see a pattern going on with the 777's?
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:26 pm

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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:53 pm

    Does it seem like there are many 777's having emergency problems? Seems like we here UA having them often...now this BA....does anyone else see a pattern going on with the 777's?

    Hmmm, it's one of the few modern aircraft without a fatal accident... yeah, I definitely see a pattern!
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 1:26 pm

    All a/c will have F&@#%@'s here and there it's how they handle a situation that counts. Sure any a/c can have an engine fire during take off but how many 2 haulers can continue the take off while at the same time shutting down the engine in question.

    Any more info on that BA flight that killed a guy?

    Thanks again!

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    Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:00 pm

    Sure any a/c can have an engine fire during take off but how many 2 haulers can continue the take off while at the same time shutting down the engine in question.

    How about all of them?

    It's a FAR requirement. (And by that I mean Federal Aviation Regulations, not Fargo like this site thinks I mean!)
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:37 pm

    I meant like can proceed as if nothing were wrong so that the flight crew could deal wiht the issue and not so much on the basic's of the a/c.

    Thanks.

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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:02 pm

    UA777222 IF you were talking about the ground personnel who was killed by fire in Denver... If I remember right the tanker took off with the hose still attached and it sparked and caught fire....Talking to the Denver Paramedic's who were on scene the Denver Fire Department did such a good job putting the fire out with compressed foam that it covered the body..... Only after the Paramedic's left and they started clean up did they discover the body.... At least after all that time they still called for an Air Medical Helicopter to transport the patient....(it was 30-45 min after the incident had started)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:49 pm

    Recent 777 engine incidents like

    AF 773ER,
    CO (March 17 '03,
    UA (March 17, 2003, Jan6 Kev)
    and now BA

    didn't make any victims luckely and every AD is improving safety but

    these can't be good for achieving ETOPS240 or more I guess.

    The FAA is doing it's statistics ...

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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:03 pm

    Keesje,
    you have a link to the AF773ER engine trouble???
    Th@nxZ a lot!

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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:57 pm

    ******ISSUES WITH THE BAGGAGE T7******
    There was nothing connected about the luggage and the 777, but the 777 was merely selected to deliver the luggage.

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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:14 pm

    If it was BA 2024 back to LGW it was Reg: G-VIID. I was at IAH yesterday Afternoon. Here is a pic of BA 2025. We had three BA flights arrive into IAH yesterday.

    http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.cgi?244697
     
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:05 pm


    According to this news article, the "pilots smelled smoke in the cockpit".

    Just how would smoke from an engine fire get into the cockpit where the pilots could smell it?


     
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:13 pm

    According to this news article, the "pilots smelled smoke in the cockpit".
    Just how would smoke from an engine fire get into the cockpit where the pilots could smell it?


    Via the airco (air tapped from the engine).
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:14 pm

    Actually the flight was 30 mins out of Houston not 15mins when this incident happened had just seen my sister off on that flight and was just hanging around when i saw the a/c come back trailing smoke. Some pax. were transferred to other flight going LWG.
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:23 pm

    Apparently the fire couldn't be stopped by aircraft crew/systems itself.

    That is serious IMO.
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:05 pm

    Only 130 pax onboard for triple 7? is that number correct? Seems like an empty flight to LGW.
     
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:09 pm



    Aircraft equiped with GE90s

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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:31 pm

    Was anyone injured in the evacuation? I thought that there were always some injuries when an aircraft with a cabin as high as the 777 is evacuated. Any info?
     
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:37 pm

    Was anyone injured in the evacuation? I thought that there were always some injuries when an aircraft with a cabin as high as the 777 is evacuated. Any info?
    An article said that all of the passengers were safely evacuated. While minor injuries are not that uncommon during an emergency evacuation, the height of the slides rarely has anything to do with injuries, as the pressure of the slides can cause sprained-ankles, one of the more common injuries, I believe.

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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:01 am

    I'm with Saigonhouston - was this the flight that heads to Chicago and picks up more pax on the way to LHR or were there only 130 pax on a nonstop from IAH-LGW? Seems like a small number of pax for the nonstop flight if that's the case.
     
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:11 am

    130 pax not much.

    Question:

    Do the 'Oil' guys that travel on this route have to pay the fuel surcharge as well? That way they end up paying their own wages...  Laugh out loud
     
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:43 am

    If it was G-VIID it was indeed a GE-90 777.

    Luckily they were able to get the plane on the ground safely.
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:46 am

    130 passengers...very interesting...looks like IAH has trouble filling their BA LGW flight just like DFW!!

    However, when other airports have trouble filling international flights, they don't get cut, they either stay or even add frequencies.

    Note, as Bartond has, that BA has TWO flights departing IAH. One nonstop to LGW, and another onestop via Chicago to ORD.

    I guess only DFW is punished severely if passenger numbers are less than ideal.
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:00 am

    Can someone fact-check that the onboard fire system was unable to extinguish the fire in the engine. Because if that is the case and this plane was over the North Atlantic what would happen. Sounds like it could be a very serious issue.

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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:04 am

    Can we get a confirmation on those passenger numbers? If BA can turn a profit on a flight to London with 130 passengers, why couldn't they do the same in San Diego? I would LOVE to see the 777 back here!!
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:07 am

    PANAM747 I doubt we'll see them back. Especially since they didn't come back for the summer (unfortunately).

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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:52 am

    130 passengers...very interesting...looks like IAH has trouble filling their BA LGW flight just like DFW!!

    You're drawing a conclusion from one datapoint?
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:10 am

    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: GVLLD Make/Model: B777 Description: B-777
    Date: 08/11/2004 Time: 2155

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Unknown

    LOCATION
    City: HOUSTON State: TX Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    BRITISH AIRWAYS, GVLLD, B777-200 ACFT REPORTED FUMES IN THE COCKPIT AFTER
    DEPARTURE, RETURNED TO THE AIRPORT AND MADE AN EMERGENCY LANDING ON RUNWAY
    15L, LEFT ENGINE REPORTED TO BE ON FIRE, FIRE EXTINQUISHED, NO INJURIES TO
    THE 133 PERSONS ON BOARD, HOUSTON, TX

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
    # Crew: 3 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 129 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
     
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    Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:15 am


    Yes, 130 passengers is on the low side. But keep in mind that because of the four class configuration, with an emphasis on premium cabins, BA has one of the lowest density 777s (if not THE lowest). So 130 seats is still more than 50% full...
     
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:25 am

    There has been several incidents of engine fires or failures on 777's. Recall earlier this year the UA flight from to SFO that had to land at Yellowknife had a engine go bad and the stories of getting it running again. Does the large size/diamiter of the engine make it more likely to have problems than a similar engine on a 747? Do both GE and RR engines for 777's have similar problem rates?
     
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:41 am

    Wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be an oil leak or fractured oil feeder pipe. There have been a number of bulletins concerning oil systems on the large turbofans recently (including the Trent).
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:06 am

    you have a link to the AF773ER engine trouble???

    A friend of mine was on that flight, it was from CDG-EZE. He said shortly after takeoff, there was a huge vibration throught the cabin, so they did a circuit and landed back at CDG.

    He then got transferred to an AF 772ER.

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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:15 am

    I remember watching a video test of the GE115. They ran it at like 112% of rated power (something like 128k lbs. of thrust) for 60hours NON-STOP with no problems. Those motors are built well...But when you have that many planes flying there are bound to be problems.

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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:23 am

    Jet engines are always on fire
     
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:33 am

    BA has 17 weekly flights between IAH and London and Continental has 14 weekly flights. This is obviously a very popular route, it could have just been an off day. It happens.
     
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:42 am

    LOL Mu2!


    Radelow, it is true that they are typically without problems, but the test engine was probably new from the factory, while this one probably was not.

    Jet engines are, relatively speaking, ridiculously reliable, but things happen.
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:48 am

    One thing that surprises me...3 crew on a 777? Even with "only" 130 pax...isn't that a little strange?

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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:01 am

    One thing that surprises me...3 crew on a 777? Even with "only" 130 pax...isn't that a little strange?
    There might have been a relief pilot (based on flying hours, not passengers) or a jump-seater.

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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:03 am

    I meant, 3 being very little! Don't cabin crew count as crew too?  Smile

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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:48 am

    That three crew number is clearly an error. I would assume probably in the neighborhood of 10-12 total with the waitresses accounted for.

    I agree with Starlionblue, if you think about what a jet engine goes through, they are remarkably reliable. I just wish Ford could have such reliability in the engines it puts into its cars.

    It is clear that BA should cancel its 777 program and opt for A342/3's instead. You know what that over trans-Atlantic carrier says: Four engines, four crew, forever safe!!!
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:00 am

    I would assume probably in the neighborhood of 10-12 total with the waitresses accounted for.
    ****

    Ouch !!... waitresses..., see what you feel about them when an emergency happens and you have a puddle under your seat.

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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:21 am

    Wow... so much baseless speculation on this thread



    Anywho, Point 1) ever stop to think that 130(-)pax might have just been a low day?


    Point 2) engine fires happen: 707s, 727s, 737s, 747s, 767s, A340s, DC9s, etc have all had incidents with them in the near-term past. No real dilemma.
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:56 am

    this was the flight to ORD (LHR). So i would say it was pretty good for the continuation.
     
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    RE: British Airways Emergency Landing And Evac At IAH

    Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:00 am

    if you think about what a jet engine goes through, they are remarkably reliable. I just wish Ford could have such reliability in the engines it puts into its cars.

    That would be an expensive car.  Big grin


    It is clear that BA should cancel its 777 program and opt for A342/3's instead. You know what that over trans-Atlantic carrier says: Four engines, four crew, forever safe!!!

    I don't see twins falling out of the sky with any regularity, and I can't think of an engine failure on a twin at the fringes of diversion range that would not have brought down a quad. Twins are safe, both statistically and engineeringwise.

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