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Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:21 am

Hi folks!

What is the level of demand (from tourists, VFR passengers, businesspeople) between the USA and West Africa? Which cities in West Africa should, in your opinion, be served from the USA? Would a non-stop or direct service to West Africa be viable from any city bar NY? What about cargo?

Would there be sufficient demand for a daily service from LOS to JFK or EWR, operating via ABJ thrice-weekly, ACC twice-weekly and DKR twice-weekly (or something similar), using either the 767 or the 330?
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:29 am

There certainly used to be flights from West Africa to the US, although more recent attempts haven't gone very far.

RK used to operated ABJ-DKR-JFK with an D10, then an AB6 (I think)
WT used to operate LOS-JFK with a D10, then a codeshare with SA
GH used (until recently !) to operate ACC-JFK, then ACC-BWI with a D10
V7 used to codeshare on SA's 744's between DKR and JFK.
VR still operate a weekly flight SID-BOS

With oil-related traffic to places like Nigeria, Gabon, Ecuatorial Guinea and Angola, you'd think there'd be some business demand. I don't know where West African demographics are in the US though, they may not coincide with oil-industry centres like HOU or DAL.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:32 am

Yeah, there have been a good few attempts in the past.

I suppose it's easy for businesspeople to fly AF from IAH to CDG then connect there to LBV, LOS, PHC, etc. Isn't AF beginning a flight to Malabo?
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:32 am

British Airways offer quite a few flights to West Africa from LHR, so with OneWorld it is probably easiest just to fly AA from the States to LHR for example and connect on BA...
 
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:33 am

The AF flight to SSG already operates - started this month. AF962, Mondays and Wednesdays, an A319.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:39 am

What are the Airports coded for Cameroon, Youande and Duola?
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:41 am

YAO = Yaounde, Cameroon
DLA = Douala, Cameroon.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:42 am

As noted on another thread, CO is starting EWR-LOS soon.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:48 am

Oh, that passed me by!

If an airline offered, say, IAH-LOS-LBV direct, it'd probably only operate weekly, so it'd be more convenient to fly AF via CDG.

I suppose there would be a lot of VFR traffic between the USA and particular parts of West Africa, so I guess an airline could concentrate on that segment of the market. The main problem with this, I guess, would be the level of yield, but then airfares from the USA to West Africa are normally expensive (over 1000 USD) so it would surely be quite easy to offer lower prices but a good, comfortable service with good IFE and food and gain bookings that way. The price of the ticket would, I believe, be the key consideration for would-be passengers. If an airline operated LOS-JFK/EWR daily (all via one city enroute), then there would obviously be good flexibility from/to Nigeria, plus a selection of flights to/from Senegal, C-D-I and Ghana.

What about cargo between the USA and West Africa?
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:53 am

Please, with terrorists all around, we don't need any DIRECT NONSTOP flight from West Africa to NYC, Washington, etc. These airports have useless security and incompetent buffoons running these places.

If you want to go to West Africa, go to LHR, CDG or any number of European destinations and connect.

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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:56 am

As PROSA noted, Conintental is starting EWR-LOS. The service starts April 2005, and will be a daily 767-200ER. It is still pending government approval, but it is unlikely to be denied.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:57 am

RE: Please, with terrorists all around, we don't need any DIRECT NONSTOP flight from West Africa to NYC.

That, if I may say so, is a particularly naive and ill-informed statement. By the same logic, all flights should stop at a giant transit centre in Bermuda, all passengers body-cavity searched, bound with cable ties, and with a plastic bag over their heads, be loaded onto C5's for onward travel to Air Bases in the USA.

Get a grip.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:59 am

No,JGPH1A, you get a grip!

Have you noticed all the warnings about the security practices at Mumtaz Muhhammed Airport in Lagos, Nigeria?!!! How their security practices are non-existent?

You sir, are the one that is ill-informed!!
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:01 am

Please, with terrorists all around, we don't need any DIRECT NONSTOP flight from West Africa to NYC, Washington, etc. These airports have useless security and incompetent buffoons running these places.

As far as I know, foreign airports have to meet certain security standards in order to be allowed to have direct service to the United States.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:03 am

So what ? There have been security warnings at LOS and many other West African airports for ever, and yet direct flights are operated from LOS to many European airports in perfect safety every single day. If security was THAT bad, the FAA would have stepped in and banned flights from LOS to the USA. to the best of my knowledge, they haven't.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:03 am

British Airways offer quite a few flights to West Africa from LHR, so with OneWorld it is probably easiest just to fly AA from the States to LHR for example and connect on BA...
That is what I did. Look for a trip report in a few days.

Please, with terrorists all around, we don't need any DIRECT NONSTOP flight from West Africa to NYC, Washington, etc.
West Africa is not big on the US' list of terrorist breeding-grounds.

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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:11 am

If you want to talk about incompetent buffoons, just look at your emperor.

You say that LHR or CDG are good places to connect because they are supposedly more secure, but where did Richard Reid board his flight? Where did PA 103 leave from?

And, just in case you're going to say that US airports are safe, here's a pre-emptive strike for you. Check the recent data on how many firearms have been successfully brought through security on the TSA website.

There's no valid security reason for singling out West Africa for bad security when the rest of the world doesn't seem to have a very good record about it either. If you really disagree, why don't you call CO management in Houston, and tell them that security concerns should cause them to cancel their future service from EWR to Lagos.

Apparently even some companies based in the "Real Amurkin Hartland" think it's safe to fly nonstop to Lagos.
 
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:14 am

Doesn't Royal Air Maroc still fly non-stop to the U.S.? I know they have fairly good connections in and around West Africa, and is a very secure airline. Maybe someone can provide a link to a Royal Air Maroc trip report?

Hopefully Ethiopian will do a great job taking over for Ghana Airways and creating a viable network in West Africa. With a strong and secure route system by a well-established carrier, ties to North America would be a logical extension.

I could also see a market for a variety of one-stop flights from South Africa to the United States, say once or twice a week via LOS, other times through ACC. With fifth freedom rights (which some governments would gladly give!), these cities would simultaneously gain flights to important unserved markets. Has this ever been discussed?

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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:23 am

I'm still rather surprised that someone (AF, AA, etc) doesn't offer a nonstop DKR-MFW at this point.

...or heck, JNB/CPT-MFW.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:28 am

"Yeah, there have been a good few attempts in the past. "

The problem hasn't been lack of demand; it's been shoddy carriers operating the route. I can almost guarantee that if you have consistent, dependable service (the plane actually departs the same day it's supposed to) between the US and West Africa, the passengers will come.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:20 am

What is MFW? I see on the Great Circle Mapper it terminates near MIA, so what is it?

Also, MIA-JNB is 7005NM, would be a reach for AA's 772ER with a full load.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:29 am

ROYAL AIR MAROC flies to JFK.

As far as MIA, AA has expressed interest in starting service to Africa. Let's see what happens with that!
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:38 am

Please, with terrorists all around, we don't need any DIRECT NONSTOP flight from West Africa to NYC, Washington, etc. These airports have useless security and incompetent buffoons running these places.

PROSA is right, all airports that have flights into the USA much meet certain security requirements, I thought everyone on this site knew that, common knowledge.

Also, since West African airport security is so much worse than the security in the USA according to you, I suppose all the 9/11 hijackers boarded their flights in LOS?
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:43 am

What is MFW? I see on the Great Circle Mapper it terminates near MIA

That should've been your first clue....  Big grin

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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:33 am

At this point in time, I dare say no one has the right to point fingers at who is and who isn't secure.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:56 am

Doesn't Royal Air Maroc still fly non-stop to the U.S.? I know they have fairly good connections in and around West Africa, and is a very secure airline. Maybe someone can provide a link to a Royal Air Maroc trip report?
As mentioned, they fly to JFK, but Morocco is in Northern Africa.

The World Trade Center and Pentagon hi-jackers originated at U.S. airports.
They were on domestic flights and the other mentioned incidents were international flights.

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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:23 am

When I went to W. Africa (Ghana to be exact), it was easier for us to fly ORD - LHR - ACC instead of ORD - BWI - ACC, basically because BA did it every day, and Ghana Airways didn't, so I think PERSONALLY that it's just easier to go via Europe then the 3 or 4x weekly stuff they do to the US from W. Africa
 
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:56 am

The main West African states having considerable O&D traffic with USA is Nigeria and Ghana...followed by Senegal (Dakar) I would say.

What would work ideal is an aircraft the size of the B 777-300/A 340-600 (2 class configured 360-380 seater) flying 4 times weekly ACC-LOS-JFK/EWR-LOS-ACC.

But yes...convienience wise its more wiser to fly via LHR/CDG/FRA/AMS to West Africa because of daily connections thus making travel more flexbile and easier to manage.

CO has indicated that it is very interested in starting nonstop B 777-200ER 3 weekly EWR-LOS-EWR flights...no date given though...I read this on JUSTPLANES.COM around 10-14 days ago.
 
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:22 am

CO has indicated that it is very interested in starting nonstop B 777-200ER 3 weekly EWR-LOS-EWR flights...no date given though...I read this on JUSTPLANES.COM around 10-14 days ago.

As stated earlier in the thread, Continental is starting Newark-Lagos. Pending US government approval, daily 767-200ER service starts in April 2005 (no exact date set). This will mark the return of US flag carrier service to Africa. Outside of that, the only other US carrier that has shown some interest in flying to Africa has been AA, who has shown interest in flying the Miami-South Africa route.

I'm still rather surprised that someone (AF, AA, etc) doesn't offer a nonstop DKR-MFW at this point.

There were rumours a few years ago that Air France was actually going to fly the route as "a service" to Senegal, to give them a valuable connection to the United States, sort of how they fly their Caribbean Island hopper to MIA (CAY-PTP-FDF-PAP-MIA), so they can give Haiti and their French possessions an easy connection to the US (it does not connect with their MIA-CDG flight and AF offers non-stops to ORY/CDG from all of them except PAP). That was a while back, when Dakar had loss all service to the US. Now they have SAA to JFK, and that rumour is long gone.

I think you'll see a handful of US-Africa routes develop in the next decade. The market is still young, but connections between the US and Africa, namely to NYC, Washington, and Miami, are going to be a growing market in the next ten years.




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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 8:10 am

Direct USA-West Africa service has always been problematic. For the past several decades, it has been served only by several national carriers, all of whom have had spotty service and/or reliability and have been unable to attract and retain high yield clientele. Many F/J cabins are simply a free shuttle for government ministers or upgrades for staff. The back of the planes are overflowing with low yield VFR traffic. High yield traffic would often eschew the nonstop in favor of more reliable service on European carriers.

The only profitable aspect of the direct service was cargo, although several import/exporters would traditionally try to bypass cargo by showing up at checkin with 40-50 boxes, and talk fellow nationals into carrying the boxes for them. Following 9/11 and the collapse of WT/RK and soon GH, this is no longer the case.

If CO think they can make a profit on the EWR-LOS route, I really wish them luck. Personally, I think they've lost their minds, and have no clue what they're in for. A boeing 762 does not have the cargo capacity to meet the demand, let alone client's own baggage. At RK back in the 80's with a DC10-30, we would routinely have to limit passenger baggage to the two allowed pieces, and the rest would have to go on a space available basis.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 8:36 am

UA744KSFO,

Leave Bush out of it...he's no buffoon. You may disagree with his policies but he's no buffoon.

To compare ANY U.S. airport to Mumtaz Muhammed Airport in Lagos is assinine.

Thanks for the idea...I will call CO about the security concerns.

Finally, why do you and some of your liberal friends come to the rescue of any foreign power, leader, etc., and make fun of the "Real Amurkin Hartland"???!!
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 8:58 am

Leave Bush out of it...He's no buffoon. You may disagree with his policies but he's no buffoon.

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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:03 am

Here is a link that I posted on the CO EWR-LOS thread.

http://www.dot.gov/affairs/1999/dot22199.htm

LOS airport has obviously improved.
 
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:04 am

i flew a few times from west africa to CDG with air france
they have their own security guards on board the aircraft
when the a/c lands and the doors open, the security people
jump out first and set up tables and lamps and search every pax baggage
at the foot of the a/c steps
once all the pax are checked and onboard they fold up all the tables and stuff
and board the a/c last and close the doors
 
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:12 am

Um, I'm actually a conservative, a REAL conservative, rather than the phony BS that Bush has tried to make the word mean (which I call neo-conservative).

I do find it funny though that you assumed I was talking about Bush just because I used the word emperor.

A real conservative doesn't believe in deficits or military supremacy, but rather that we mind our own business. Had we done so, we would never have been in this mess in the first place, and two of my close friends who worked in the WTC would still be alive.

I don't defend foreign leaders and powers, I just try to be as fair as I can to them. When I see morons like Bush trying to make anyone who doesn't happen to have American citizenship seem inferior, I remember the Golden Rule, and can guarantee you that we would not want this done to us.

I'm a conservative, and proud to be one. But I despise the use of the word terrorist when referring to those who have done nothing wrong, and I refuse to simply believe that we cannot work something out with the Nigerian Government that would allow for security concerns of ALL nations to be addressed. It's in everyone's best interests to round up terrorists. Maybe if the emperor decided to work with the world rather than against the world, we might actually make the world safer.
 
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:19 am

A real conservative may disagree with Bush on any number of issues, but doesn't call Bush a moron.

You're using a common tactic I've seen used everywhere....call yourself a conservative and then proceed to utter every liberal argument and call Bush names.

I NEVER called the Nigerian government a terrorist regime, simply that their airport in Lagos is a security nightmare, pure and simple. This is not a racist, jingoistic, pro-war or any other type of statement. It's simply the truth.
If they were to improve, we wouldn't be having this statement.

I'm completely fair on this topic. If you have adequate security measures, I have no problem with you. If you don't, then I do. It has nothing to do with making anyone feel inferior. It's called standards.

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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 10:15 am

A real conservative may disagree with Bush on any number of issues, but doesn't call Bush a moron.

Hey, if the shoe fits....

I've seen Bush slip up way, way too many times in speaking engagements and get his tongue tied in a way that makes him look utterly clueless. Of course his backers argue that he has a speech impediment. The more likely scenario is that he really is clueless.

Oh well, back on topic...

Good for CO starting their EWR-LOS service! I hope the route is a profitable one for them.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 11:13 am

World Air leasing has obtained a Gambian AOC. They plan to start operations with a tristar to the US.

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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 11:18 am

If CO think they can make a profit on the EWR-LOS route, I really wish them luck. Personally, I think they've lost their minds, and have no clue what they're in for.

They know exactly what they are in for. Lagos joins their list of oil destinations, a list that they have heavily expanded on in the past two years becuase they provide steady business traffic. With Continental's largest hub in Houston, they are the unofficial airline of the Houston's oil industry. Lagos joins Amsterdam, Anchorage, Calgary, Edmonton, Port of Spain, Oslo, St. John's, and Bakersfield, among others, as markets where the Houston oil industry helps provide a lot of high yielding traffic. They aren't doing this for cargo or they would find a way to use a 777. They are doing this for the oil industry.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 11:20 am

If CO think they can make a profit on the EWR-LOS route, I really wish them luck. Personally, I think they've lost their minds, and have no clue what they're in for. A Boeing 762 does not have the cargo capacity to meet the demand, let alone client's own baggage. At RK back in the 80's with a DC10-30, we would routinely have to limit passenger baggage to the two allowed pieces, and the rest would have to go on a space available basis.

Although I agree with you, there doesn't appear to be an aircraft within CO's fleet that will truly fit the route. The 777 is too much capacity, 764 does not have the range (or just barely), which leave the 762 as the only available aircraft.


i flew a few times from west africa to CDG with air france
they have their own security guards on board the aircraft
when the a/c lands and the doors open, the security people
jump out first and set up tables and lamps and search every pax baggage
at the foot of the a/c steps
once all the pax are checked and onboard they fold up all the tables and stuff
and board the a/c last and close the doors


AF still continues this bizarre practice. All the other European operators at LOS; BA, VS, KLM, LH & AZ do not carry their own security guards along with them. It's really mind boggling and insulting.


Have you noticed all the warnings about the security practices at Mumtaz Muhammad Airport in Lagos, Nigeria?!!! How their security practices are non-existent?

It's "Murtala", not Mumtaz.
I doubt you've ever been to LOS, let alone Africa the way you seem to be spouting such crap from your mouth with such confidence. The U.S. government has long given LOS a passing grade in regards to security. Those security notices that WERE placed at U.S. airports notifying passengers about the risks of flying to LOS, were more or less warning passengers about the risks of getting robbed at the airport, they had nothing to do with terrorism.


I am very happy that CO has decided to commence service to my country. Flying to the U.S. from Nigeria has long since been a pain. Any Nigerian citizen flying through Europe to get to the U.S., has to obtain a transit visa (even if you're not going to pass through immigration in the transit country!) I can personally do without that extra visa fee and the layover time.

And to those who think that IAH-LOS would have been a more viable route, you couldn't be more wrong. Although ExxonMobil and ChevronTexaco have large operations in the Houston area, they are not the only oil operators in Nigeria. The European firms; Royal Dutch/Shell (the largest operator here), TotalFinaElf, and Agip all do business here. I do not think that demand from IAH based oil companies (as well as drilling companies like Haliburton and Schlumberger) could sustain anything more than a once or twice weekly flight to LOS. They simply aren't that much of them around here.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 11:33 am

Direct service between the US-Africa has been sporadic at best.

With the demise of Pan Am, and Air Afrique, we lost direct flights to/from DKR.

Still it was lots of fun, traveling on PA 707's, or RK DC-8's, when flights were offered between DKR-JFK.

Traveling via CDG ORY, or BRU, was something I did in the mid 70's and 80's it only added about 3 hours of travel time to trips to WestCentral Africa. (vs. the coastal puddle jumping from country to country in Africa in the 707's, DC-8's)

I think I saw somewhere that SA was stopping to refuel in Senegal, on it's US flights, but not sure if it was allowed to take on passengers.

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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:43 pm

Sure, we can leave the politics out of this discussion. Because it was not me that added this anti-Bush stuff in it.

A discussion on how Lagos Nigeria is substandard in its safety and security is an acceptable part of this discussion.

Contrary to what 5NEOO thinks, Muhammad airport (Murtala or Mumtaz or whatever) was specifically cited by the U.S. not because the area outside the airport was unsafe but because it did not adhere to international standards of security measures. That's plain and simple. I don't have to be a Nigerian or to travel there to know this.

We should be extra cautious post 911. It's common sense, not racism.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:38 pm

Re: I think I saw somewhere that SA was stopping to refuel in Senegal, on it's US flights, but not sure if it was allowed to take on passengers.

Yes, SA have full traffic rights DKR-JFK-DKR on those flights.
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:59 am

JGPH1A thanks for the info!
 
UA744KSFO
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Sat Aug 14, 2004 5:54 am

"Sure, we can leave the politics out of this discussion. Because it was not me that added this anti-Bush stuff in it."

No, you called certain security personnel from another country incompetent buffoons. I don't like my countrymen making that kind of a claim without taking a good hard look at the buffoonery in Washington, not just now, but for a long time.

"Contrary to what 5NEOO thinks, Muhammad airport (Murtala or Mumtaz or whatever) was specifically cited by the U.S. not because the area outside the airport was unsafe but because it did not adhere to international standards of security measures. That's plain and simple. I don't have to be a Nigerian or to travel there to know this.

We should be extra cautious post 911. It's common sense, not racism."

So, do you trust the US government to protect us? If so, then why don't you leave it to them to determine if it's safe or not to offer nonstops from EWR to LOS? If they don't think so, then they won't allow CO to fly the route. If, however, you don't trust the US government to determine what is necessary to keep us safe from terrorism, then why is that? Could it be because of, dare I say, incompetence (like our intelligence has proven to be). Is it the failure of our own government that prompts you to want us to be extra cautious?

And I am a conservative, not using some sort of tactic. It's not up to you to determine what a conservative is, nor do you or George W. Bitch (since you don't care about the difference between Murtala and Mumtaz, I assume you won't care about the difference between Bush and Bitch) have a Trademark on the term.
 
ETStar
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Sat Aug 14, 2004 11:11 am

Texdravid
Please, with terrorists all around, we don't need any DIRECT NONSTOP flight from West Africa to NYC, Washington, etc. These airports have useless security and incompetent buffoons running these places.

If you want to go to West Africa, go to LHR, CDG or any number of European destinations and connect.

Safety first, political correctness second....


Texdravid,
I hate to remind you that it was from US airports that aircraft who played part of the worst terror acts in recent years took off. Give me one instance where Africa-US flights came even 10% close to what happened in NYC and WAS.
 
klwright69
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RE: Demand Between The USA And West Africa

Sat Aug 14, 2004 12:00 pm

This thread is certainly is getting a little testy.

In post number 32, I posted the link where several years ago the U.S. aviation officials concluded LOS airport security had improved.

I am not taking a position on this, but if some insist the contrary, they should provide additional information with more current information.