Oliver
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Swiss A340 To Cairo - For How Long?

Sun Aug 15, 2004 7:54 am

I've recently checked the bookings for the Swiss flight from Zurich to Cairo. It's operated by a A340 5 x weekly and it's really poorly booked, especially in Business and First. Even the A330-200 seems to be way too big and heavy for that route. They'd better operate an A320 to Cairo to make at least a bit of money. I know it won't be confortable for Business Pax. I wonder when they'll change the aircraft type to Cairo. Daily there are many Swiss LH routes overbooked, like Bangkok and Hong Kong. When will they finally start to shift capacity to more profitable sectors? Or how long will it take until we see a new LH route added to the Swiss network? And don't tell me the airline has no money for such negotiations in the current situation...They replaced a whole, reliable and intact MD11 fleet by brand new A340's.
 
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RE: Swiss A340 To Cairo - For How Long?

Sun Aug 15, 2004 7:56 am

It's showing it as an A340-300 indefinitely.

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RE: Swiss A340 To Cairo - For How Long?

Sun Aug 15, 2004 8:01 am

The flight could be one that has been squeezed into the existing A340 diagrams. Rather than have it on the ground for six hours, it does a quick return trip to Cairo.

Qantas regularly do a set of charters out of LHR for cruise passengers along similar lines. The aircraft would otherwise be on a remote, earning nothing at all. It's not a case of misuse of an aircraft, more one of using an aircraft that would otherwise be sat idle for a short time which is insufficient to factor into a longhaul timetable slot.
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Horus
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RE: Swiss A340 To Cairo - For How Long?

Sun Aug 15, 2004 8:15 am

Oliver, the route is very high yeilding for Swiss. Loadfactor might not be as high, but the the fares on the route tend to be very high. Also in May Egyptair quit the route due to the success of Swiss (deciding to concentrate on Geneva) so Swiss has a complete monopoly on the route. Also besides the Swiss tourists flying the route, many Egyptians use Swiss to make onward connections to North America.

The route was intially flown by MD-11, then after 9/11 they used the A332. At the start of the winter 2002 season the MD-11 made a come back till March this year when the A343 came into service on the route.

Also the reason loadfactors are lower at the moment is simply because Egypt/Cairo is a winter destination, so summer is the 'off peak' season.

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RE: Swiss A340 To Cairo - For How Long?

Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:01 pm

CAI switched to 343 when there has only been one or two M11 left in the Swiss fleet. The only plane left at the moment (HB-IWE) does a daily ZRH-ORD vv. schedule and there is no space for flights to CAI anymore.
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RE: Swiss A340 To Cairo - For How Long?

Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:19 pm

If you check, swiss also does this quite often to TLV...and used to do it daily to LHR right up until about the time that they "joined" oneworld.
which more or less brings a semi-related question...on a few occasions, I saw either 2 A332s or an MD11/A332 combination (as in 2 long-hauls at the same time) in GVA...anybody know why that happened? I thought they switched off in JFK...
 
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RE: Swiss A340 To Cairo - For How Long?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:34 am

well Swiss operates twice daily to TLV (plus codeshare with ELAL). they onward USA traffic is pretty good on that route! A340 is daily to TLV plus the A320. Swiss still operates GVA-JFK, i think even daily or 6 times weekly with A332
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RE: Swiss A340 To Cairo - For How Long?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:38 am

CAI switched to 343 when there has only been one or two M11 left in the Swiss fleet

Flight International reported that they had 3 MD-11s in March 2004, which was when they began using the A343 to CAI.

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RE: Swiss A340 To Cairo - For How Long?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:07 pm

Even the A330-200 seems to be way too big and heavy for that route. They'd better operate an A320 to Cairo to make at least a bit of money.

I wonder what your source is? How can you tell that LX doesn't make money? Have you ever thought of well paying cargo traffic? An A320 on that route might not be able to carry the sufficient amount of cargo the market is requiring but the A330 is!

Further to that, an A330 coming in from a long haul flight at 6.30am and leave for CAI at 9.50am is better utilized than an A320 which arrived at ZRH from an european city at 22.30pm the day before! There is not sufficient time to do a flight leaving ZRH to say CDG at 7.25am and return on time to operate the flight to CAI.

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RE: Swiss A340 To Cairo - For How Long?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:48 pm

I just got back from CAI on LX and both of my flights were full in Business and Coach. I know that doesn't necessarily mean they are making money, but it does show they can fill the 343 between CAI and ZRH and based on what others say it is a high-yielding route. Additionally the return into CAI doesn't even meet all of their destinations. The aircraft continued onto to HKG after arriving CAI.
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RE: Swiss A340 To Cairo - For How Long?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:31 pm

@Chris:
thanks, I know they're operating the daily GVA-JFK (which, rumour has it they plan to drop along with GVA)...what I meant to say was that I have, on occasion, seen 2 Longhaul airplanes in GVA at the same time (and no, I don't mean when the A340 came on it's demo flight Big grin). I know that sometimes, they "switch" the airplanes in JFK (I'm guessing for maintenance?).
Here's an example:
HB-IQI today does ZRH-JFK
HB-IQC does GVA-JFK
Tomorrow, we see
HB-IQI doing JFK-GVA
HB-IQC doing JFK ZRH

Since this is how the switch is normally done, I was wondering why there have been times where we have had 2 long-haul airplanes here in GVA
 
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RE: Swiss A340 To Cairo - For How Long?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:24 pm

Horus
If not mistaken, one M11 was leaving the fleet soon after that. Or it was already standing in white colors at ZRH.
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RE: Swiss A340 To Cairo - For How Long?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:28 am

Swissgabe, to be honest I am not sure of the details, just reporting what FI said.

Unique, in addition to you excellent analysis, an A320 would offer an 'inferior' service compared to the A340, due to the smaller cabin and less comfortable F, C any Y seats.

DeltaMIA, hope you had a great time in Egypt Big grin


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