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Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:41 am

This may be a stupid question or may have already been covered but I haven't seen it asked so I'll ask. What is NW planning on flying to Asia in the future? A330s? Do they even have the range? Or are they planning on acquiring more 747-400s? Though I don't see this happening could they even purchase A340s since they seem to be switching to an all Airbus fleet. ANY Input is appreciated!
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RE: Which A/c To Japan For NW In The Future?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:45 am

Northwest Airlines has been doing quite well from/to Japan. Especially since NW is using Narita Airport as a Asian Hub; there will be always a large need on the (high)amount of passengers traveling To/via Narita. The 747 is working good for NW on this route, but off course it is possible to see future Airbus aircraft at NRT.

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RE: Which A/c To Japan For NW In The Future?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:49 am

NW is going to use the A332 along with the 747's on these routes. Hopefully they will get a few 7E7's to replace the Airbuses.

Does NW still use an A320 or a 757 from Japan to China anymore?
 
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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:07 am

I wouldn't get my hopes up like I said it seems they're transitioning to an all Airbus fleet. I personally would love to see them get a 7E7, but I wouldn't count on it.
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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:56 am

Well, dont be surprised to see a NW 7e7 order, they have been in talks with Boeing. Boeing extended the range by 500nm at NW's request, otherwise NW would not consider it. I see the 7e7 coming on-line. But we will have to wait and see.
 
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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:50 am

Burnsie28, I didn't know that. I would love for NW to order 7E7! It would look great in their colors!
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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:54 am

I too have heard that NW has an interest in the 7E7.

The 340 would be a logical "next-size-up" after the 330 for NW, but they already have 742s and 744s.

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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:57 am

NWA is in talks with Boeing for the 7e7. That has been said in many of meetings....so it is just a matter of time for that a/c.....I bet the 340 would be considered too.
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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:13 pm

If they got the A340 it would look to much like Virgin Atlantic's A340's, with the red tail and everything.  Smile

The A332 isn't really built for transpacific routes and the economics isn't so hot.

The 7E7 would be a perfect fit for NW on these thinner routes that cant fill a 747-400.

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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:31 pm

One thing to consider, NW has in the past stated interest in the 773ER or A346 as possible replacements for the 742's when they are retired. If and when the 7E7 is ordered, I wouldn't be surprised to see some 773ER's tagged on as well.

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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:56 pm

NW has in the past stated interest in the 773ER or A346 as possible replacements for the 742's when they are retired
It is believed that second-hand 744s will replace the 742s.

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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 12:17 am

It is believed that second-hand 744s will replace the 742s.

That sounds more like NWA.
 
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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:12 am

Hmm nobody mentioned A380. That is a possibility if they want to grow the market out of DTW.

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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:27 am

NW has never mentioned they were looking at the A346 or the 777 to replace the 742's. Those were rumors started on this forum. As of right now, NW is officially replacing the 742 with the A332. NW is trying to reduce capacity with the routes being flown by 742, with the exception of LAX-NRT. NW is possibly looking at picking up some second-hand 400's, but there hasn't been anything official on this.
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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:35 am

I don't think NW was all that enthusiastic with going all Airbus--didn't they defer the A330 orders until they could no longer do so? My money is on a 7E7 order with them definately acquiring more 744s 2nd hand or otherwise.
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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:43 am

I think their future aircraft needs depends on their future route network. So far they are hubbing in NRT and have some routes where the 744 is suitable.

But I have serious doubts if this model is suitable in the long run. I think more and more of their competitors will offer non-stops to Asia. And it is questionable if they will maintain their current system or if they will move to more non-stops. And because I think they will have to offer more non-stops from Detroit in the future, the need for bigger airplanes will not be evident. So I see them replacing their 744 with 346 more likely
 
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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:44 am

I don't think NW was all that enthusiastic with going all Airbus--didn't they defer the A330 orders until they could no longer do so?
Well, a few US airlines had placed an interest in the 340 when it was launched and stayed as "ghost customers" until the airlines eventually firmed up or lost interest, but at that point for NWA, they switched to 330s.

definately acquiring more 744s 2nd hand or otherwise
Has there been any other news on the UAL 744s in VCV?

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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:47 am

So I see them replacing their 744 with 346 more likely
If the 747-Advanced does come around, I definitely see NWA ordering it. Their 744s are money-makers: The JFK-NRT flight is always full with both passengers and cargo.

The 346s are highly unlikely, regardless of whatever they do their route system.

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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:49 am

The A332 isn't really built for transpacific routes and the economics isn't so hot

For longer routes over about 5500nm the economics of the A330-200 would suffer as the payload would have to be restricted. However, since NW's flights are going through the NRT hub this is mostly a non-issue. NW could even have flights with the 332 from MSP and DTW to NRT with likely full pax (cargo limited however). AC is using the 333 (which has lower range) YVR-NRT without problems.

NW's use of the 332 from the West Coast of the USA to NRT is an optimal use of the airplane and allows for an almost full (if not completely full) payload rating according to the specs from Airbus. The 332 allows NW to augment its existing capacity and possibly add new markets that are otherwise too small to support a 742/744.
 
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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:57 am

Jetjack74:
NW has never mentioned they were looking at the A346 or the 777 to replace the 742's. Those were rumors started on this forum.

I beg to differ. The source material was posted on numerous occasions last year. It was a quote by a senior NW pilot who was in charge of a study on updating their fleet. Taken from an aviation magazine or some such source (the link was posted), the quote was from early last year if I remember right. However, between then and now it appears that they are indeed replacing 742's with 332's on west coast to Asia routes such as SEA-NRT and SFO-NRT. I still wouldn't completely rule out a 777 order, but going with 332's from the coast and 744's from the hubs may work out for them. Also, Jetjack74, given that you are an FA for NW, have you heard any specific info on their lack of interest in acquiring a dedicated 742 replacement or are you just speculating like anyone else?
 
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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:34 pm

Transpac, I beg to differ with you. Those numerous magazines and reports that you've read are probably riddled with errors and mis-statements. I emailed our our CEO Richard Anderson and the program manager for the 747-200, Capt Lane Littrell specifically about the replacement for the 200. Plus the biweekly column that Richard does called Richard Reports has cited several times the need to retire the generic whales. Mr Anderson's response was that NW was looking to break down the traffic on the west coast that were flown with the 200, such as SEA, SFO and possibly LAX to NRT. The company's focus is do away with unsold seats and route the traffic through alternative routes. Other than the lucretive contracts snagged by us, one result of this plan is introduction of the PDX-NRT which is to relieve the connecting traffic in and out of SFO, SEA and instead route them through PDX which would negate the need for a 747 out of both cities according to their findings. Northwest's target is to cut unsold seat capacity to 11 percent. NW currently has options for close to 40 additional A330 aircraft if the need arises. That is the replacement for the 747-200 for the forseable future. According to Capt Littrell, the company plans to reduce the passenger 747-200 fleet to 6 overall for the Beach Market plus one for charters. The rest will be retired with the exception of possibly 3 being converted to freighters. At one time, NW may have studied the 777 line, but never seriously considered them. The price too high and cost of taking on a new fleet type is extremely expensive. As for adding more 400's to the fleet, Richard said they are a cash drain and would probably not see it happening anytime soon, That was October of last year when I asked him that question. I've archived all my emails regarding these subjects just for just such an occasion. But I think that might change. Another option is that NW may look into converting some of the 757-5600's to ETOPs usage. Ships 5636-5649 are equiped with partial ETOPs provisions and use those on the long, thin routes to Europe. Nothing official on that. TransPac, i'm with you. There is nothing more I would love to see in in our fleet than more 400's or some 777's. I live here in Seattle and want more Boeing in our fleet. But the bottom line is the bottom line, and with the cost of introducing another fleet type plus the cost of the aircraft itself, it is unlikely to be happening in the near future. I see a better chance of the 7E7, we have stated that we're looking at that aircraft. But unless NW is presented with an offer in can't refuse, I don't see the 777 joining the fleet anytime soon.
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RE: Which A/c To Asia For NW In The Future?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:41 pm

Hmm nobody mentioned A380. That is a possibility if they want to grow the market out of DTW.

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NW already has said that the A380 is too limited to where it can fly to and that it is not ideal for passenger comfort and NW has no interest in the A380.



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