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BA Dash 8s - All The Same?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:42 am

Ive just returned from a weekend in England, having flown BA from BHD to MAN and back. My question is this - the outward flight on Dash 8 G-BRYW was lovely, with a nice quiet cabin that looked very '777' style (i.e. curvy!) Then coming back today, we were on G-BRYI which seemed very old and, more importantly, noisy! It was like sitting on a lawnmower for an hour. Was this due to sitting near the front as opposed to the back on the outward journey? Or are the newer aircraft in fact just noisier?

And of course the service was fabulous. You poor Americans should boycott flying until you can once again have a bar service, sandwiches AND tea/coffee on a 45 minute flight!
 
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RE: BA Dash 8s - All The Same?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:31 am

Perhaps one was an older model -300 and the other a newer Q300.

I think they introduced the noise control thing on later ones, the Q is for Quiet  Smile
 
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RE: BA Dash 8s - All The Same?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:33 am

Probably G-BRYW was a newer Q series model and the other was the older type. But basically, all Dash 8's are the same. Technically speaking, it would be louder sitting near the engines than at the front or back. Only a few things differ from the older serious -300 for example to the Q300's. Also, looking at photos of G-BRYI here, she has been around since 1993 or before. As as said about, the "Q" stands for quiet.
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RE: BA Dash 8s - All The Same?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:44 am

No - they're all the same, and you've got the 2 main differences!

My last 2 BA Dash8 flights were on G-BRYJ and G-BRYV, and I noticed the same things that you did.

G-BRYI/J are the last remaining standard Dash8s in the BACX fleet, with the older cabin design but more importantly they don't have NVS (Noise and Vibration Supression)

The NVS system consists of a series of microphones and speakers throughout the cabin, the microphones detect noise, it is analysed by a computer which transmits an out-of-phase signal via the speakers - this has the effect of damping out both noise and vibration.

When you've flown both NVS and non-NVS aircraft close together it's very noticeable, isn't it?

NVS was made standard in 1996, so the rest of the BACX fleet have it, they even registered a couple of aircraft G-NVS_ to acknowledge it...

More info on NVS

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RE: BA Dash 8s - All The Same?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:00 pm

BFS

For exactly the reason you mentioned, I always plum for seat 3D on my flights from MAN-BHD when going home to see the family. The Dash-8s are beautiful looking and very comfortable aircraft to fly on - and make a change from the 737s everyone else flies on similar routes (namely LPL-BFS and MAN-BFS)

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RE: BA Dash 8s - All The Same?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:26 pm

As things stand those Dash 8s will have left the BA CitiExpress fleet for the start of the summer 2005 timetable, when BA CitiExpress has committed itself to being a jet operation only. So enjoy them while you can.
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RE: BA Dash 8s - All The Same?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:32 pm

Really? Didn't know that at all.
The ERJs are a suitable replacement however.
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RE: BA Dash 8s - All The Same?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:15 pm

its funny that flybe a former franchise partner is going for the new dash 8s while BA is now moving away from them.

I think that maybe BA might excercise some of its erj options. I would hope that they would procure the new 170 or 190 for regional routes. I think it would look great in their colours as well
 
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RE: BA Dash 8s - All The Same?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:33 pm

Re: flybe a former franchise partner

Flybe (formerly British European formerly Jersey European) was never a BA franchise.
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RE: BA Dash 8s - All The Same?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:36 pm

I don;t ever recall flyBE (or British European or Jersey European) ever being a BA franchise partner. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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RE: BA Dash 8s - All The Same?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:49 pm

The ERJs are a suitable replacement however.

Yes, but these may cost more to operate. Turboprops are the most efficient type, after all, and the speed penalty is not really felt until the flight is longer than 1 hour.
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RE: BA Dash 8s - All The Same?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:14 pm

7LBAC111 sorry u are correct. Although I see Flybe did franchise with air france.
 
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RE: BA Dash 8s - All The Same?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:09 am

The problem is that BA is due to retire the Dash 8s in 9 months time yet no replacement aircraft are forthcoming. Or is BA looking at cascading aircraft, i.e. A321s entering service at LHR see some A319s move to LGW with 737-500s moving back to MAN/BHX? Either that, or further route cuts look likely to be on the cards for BA CitiExpress.
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