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Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 12:27 am

Heard something interesting on TBS' coverage of the Braves/Padres game last night:

Braves' Marcus Giles was at the plate, and the announcers were mentioning his being from San Diego, etc, etc. Then they pipe in with something to the effect of, "all the while up to the Braves' charter flight landing at the NAS North Island at 5 AM, Giles was talking up San Diego".

I'm assuming that the curfew laws at SAN precluded them from landing at Lindbergh, but is that the norm?: when a charter can't land at SAN because of the curfew, do they then, as a rule, go to the NAS?


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Also, do the Braves charter on DL?

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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 12:34 am

A Delta 757-200 did indeed fly from Atlanta to NAS North Island two nights ago. Seems like too much of a coincidence to not be the Braves charter, although I do remember some other private jet (a 727) arriving in SAN from Marrieta, Georgia sometime in the same 24-hour time period. Is Marrieta close to Atlanta?

Sports teams have often flown to NAS North Island in lieu of SAN--including during the 2003 Super Bowl, I believe.

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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 12:50 am

Hey Aaron:

Marietta is a northern suburb of Atlanta. Lockheed has a decent sized operation there. Perhaps the 727 was the Braves' brass?!

Thanks for confirming my NAS thoughts.

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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:09 am

It was DL. I put the plane at the gate in ATL at around 0330 Monday.
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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:07 am

I'm assuming that the curfew laws at SAN precluded them from landing at Lindbergh, but is that the norm?

The curfew at SAN doesn't apply to landings. The only time landings are not permittted is when there is night time construction or repair work and it's a temporary restriction. HP 730 is a 0108 arrival and the Fed Ex, Airborne and UPS heavies all usually come in between 0400-0600.

The airport curfew restricts takeoffs only. Stage 3 a/c are limited to departing between 0630-2330 local while lifeguard, emergency flights, or flights for military necessity are exempt and can depart as needed any time of day.


 
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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:11 am

They go to NAS because it a cheaper bus ride to the stadium. NAS in San Diego is located closer to the stadium than Lindbergh. This is the same reason why teams use BFI in Seattle, BUR in Los Angeles, HOU in Houston and there's one in Montreal, but I can't think of it right now.
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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:56 am

The distance from SAN to Petco Park is only 3.3 miles, while the distance going over the Coronado bridge and exiting the I-5 to downtown from NAS North Island to Petco is just over 6 miles. Why would North Island be cheaper? Doesn't make much sense. There has to be some other reasons involved. When I worked a charter at N.I., the a/c wanted to leave at 3am after dropping pax and couldn't do so at SAN, so that might be a contributing factor in landing N.I. instead of SAN for some charters.
 
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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:00 am

They go to NAS because it a cheaper bus ride to the stadium

I believe Lindbergh is much closer to Petco Park than is the NAS. Petco is on the southern side of downtown San Diego, which would put it only about 3 miles from Lindbergh, while after landing at the NAS, one would have to cross Coronado, plus the Coronado Bridge, then come up East Harbor to Petco, which is at the corner of East Harbor and 7th Avenue.

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edited to add: Avi8trxx beat me to the punch, I was Mapblasting at the same time!

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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:08 am

Could be there isn't a space to actually PARK the plane at SAN. The majority of aircraft parking areas are on the north side of the runway. Those get used by Hawaiian Airlines overnight along with a AA and DL plane (I think). SAN doesn't have many gates... Just a theory...

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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:48 am

I'm thinking it's a security thing, no crowds of autograph hounds around. Easier to shuttle them to and from the ballpark.
 
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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:22 am

The only thing a 727 is going to fit on in Marietta is Dobbins Air Reserve Base .... so it was probably some kind of military transport (I see a white 727 in and out of Dobbins quite frequently) or maybe US Dept of Justice.

Delta sponsors all of the major sports teams in Atlanta, so it is not surprising they'd have a Delta charter flight.

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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:06 am

Delta sponsors all of the major sports teams in Atlanta, so it is not surprising they'd have a Delta charter flight.

The irony in that is that they only do the charters for the Braves, Falcons, Georgia Tech, and the University of Georgia; the Hawks and Thrashers don't use Delta for their charters. Last season, they both used Midwest Airlines(after using Pace Airlines for a number of years); I haven't heard if they will be using them again this season.
 
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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 12:55 pm

Perhaps the Team's hotel was on Coronado Island, the Marriott or the Hotel Coronado?..
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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:23 pm

AHHH OK, I got it. I took a photo of it at 1:54am into NZY a couple days ago. I thought it was a troop charter, as NZY gets a lot of those.

What is so damn funny is that I saw 3 aircraft land at SAN while I was out there... lol.. I dont think there is a curfew for landings.


It was probably due to the fact that its so much easier to fly thru NZY. When the Superbowl was in San Diego, NZY took a lot of the traffic, including a couple 747's and 777.




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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:28 pm

It's sort of been answered, but here's the reason...

True, there's no curfew for arrivals into SAN, but remember, the plane, DL presumed, had to depart back to ATL, correct? Hence, the departure curfew is the reason it operated into NZY.

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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:30 pm

had to depart back to ATL.

I believe your theory, but, he was outbound to LAX.. lol  Big grin
 
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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:35 pm

Didn't realize the plane went up to LAX, but if as DAL7001 said that he parked the plane at 0355, the departure curfew theory remains!

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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:38 pm

Yep, it sure does.. He arrived into NZY at roughly 1:54am PDT.

 
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RE: Braves SAN Charter Goes To NAS North Island?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:34 pm

Litz,

The white 727's you see at Dobbins are indeed DOJ prisoner transfer aircraft. They bus the prisoners from the Federal Pen in SE Atlanta to Dobbins because security is better there.

I believe the aircraft assembly building at Lockheed in Marietta is second only in size to the Boeing building in Everett, WA. The C-5's were assembled in this building, except for the horizontal stabilizer. They had a separate, smaller, but taller building for that purpose. We called the world's largest whorehouse, because that's where the C-5 went to get it's tail.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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