toltommy
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DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:15 am

Let's face it, I'm sure there's a market for those who would prefer not to drive up to RSW. Maybe they'll be able to get them to pay a premium?

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040817/cltu054_1.html

"NAPLES, Fla., Aug. 17 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Delta (NYSE: DAL - News) customers traveling to and from Naples, Fla., will gain the comfort and convenience of daily, nonstop regional jet service between sunny Southwest Florida and Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport beginning Nov. 15, 2004. Delta Connection carrier Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ASA) will operate three daily year-round flights using customer-preferred Bombardier regional jets."

 
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:17 am

You beat me to it. Its only premium because APF is paying a nice subsidy to DL to operate the flights. Hopefully the city supports it as now they can go just about anywhere in the world with only one stop. Previously they had to make two or three.
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:18 am

Looks like I beat deltaMIA to the punch by 6 seconds! Photo finish to post the news!  Big thumbs up

DeltaMIA -

Are they able to keep the NIMBYs quiet about the jet service? Or will they whine about the noise?

[Edited 2004-08-17 19:19:22]
 
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:24 am

I don't think 3 flights all timed to depart in the daylight will do much to negatively effect the community. I think these will do well. It isn't like EV is going to be doing fly-bys of the area. (Well I know one captain that may).
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:29 am

What a big jumpstart to service to APF... the airport used to be dead with just small props with US Express, CO Express, and AA Eagle... these 50 seaters are going to seem like 747's to the APF people!! Hopefully I'll be on one of these flights soon!
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:33 am

I agree, the 3 flights really shouldn't be an issue, but jet flights at APF were an issue in the past.
 
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:02 am

Good news for Naples after some fallow years.

This is such a wealthy area that it really should be able to support service via Atlanta for the Naples / Marco residents and visitors. I hope it goes well.
 
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:49 am

I don't see why this thread is titled this way.

This is just expanded RJ service to a popular FL destination, nothing about being a "premium" route.

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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:34 am

I remembered long time ago, once Delta's Comair flew from Cincinnati to Naples with a SAAB 340 non stop! I couldn't image that is a such small prop plane on a long flight almost 2 and half hours! By the way, years ago, Piedmont or USAir not sure specific name airline flew to Naples from MIA on a Fokker 28 jet. It is rare jetliner service in Naples.

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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:03 am

This is good news for Naples. They have been begging for this service for years. Nice to see it finally happen. Naples' only other scheduled passenger service is on Continental Connection (op. by Cape Air), with four daily flights to Miami which resume 28 October 2004.
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:35 am

KAPF:

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KAPF

From above web page:

RWY 5/23 5000' X 150'
RWY 14/32 5000' X 100'

Additional Remarks
- EXTREMELY NOISE SENSITIVE AREAS ALL QUADRANTS. ALL TURBOJETS USE CLOSE-IN NOISE ABATEMENT PROCEDURES.
- STAGE 1 JET ACFT OPNS ARE PROHIBITED. CONTACT AMGR 239-643-0404 REGARDING STAGE 2 ACFT OPNS PRIOR TO FLYING INTO ARPT. VOLUNTARY RESTRICTIONS EXIST FOR STAGE 3 JET ACFT OPNS 2200-0700. VOLUNTARY RESTRAINT FROM TOUCH & GO OPNS 2200-0700.
- CLSD TO ALL ACFT EXCEEDING 75000 LBS MAXIMUM GROSS WEIGHT DUAL GEAR AS INDICATED ON ACFT OPERATING CERT ISSUED BY THE MANUFACTURER.
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:19 am

They made the announcement, but when I check fares to fly in there from PHL it still says APF is an invalid code. I have family in the Naples area. I tried to find fares for the inaugural on 11/14...When will they go on sale
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:51 am

I must say I'm shocked. First of all, I guess I underestimated the size and wealth of the market in the APF area.

Second, I know firsthand that APF is a very noise-sensitive airport, known in some circles in South Florida as a community of extremely aggressive residents who belligerently -- and publicly -- fight aircraft noise. In fact, when Treasure Coast airports (FPR, VRB, SUA) considered ways to turn down the volume of aircraft noise (mostly 172s and Warriors, mind you), some of them used APF as a case study.

How this one ever flew (sorry) in such a militant community is beyond me.
 
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:15 am

Comair flew the APF-MCO route in the late 80's and early 90's with EM 120, Saabs and metro liners. US Air/airways used B1900's and AA used Saabs, skyvans and ATR's. Comair told APF they wanted to run rj's from ATL..The airport board said...NO..so Comair pickup up their toys and went home(left APF).
AA pulled out around 98 or 2000 and USAir dropped some flights then went seasonal. Only Cape air was left and Im not sure if Cape air is in APF today or they went seasonal too.
The airport board gets flack from the public and courts Comair and lookie what happens. I will bet this winter you may see another carrier in APF.
RSW's new terminal opens in March of 05. That should impact APF service a little.
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:21 am

It was Piedmont that initiated the F-28 service into Naples with the Florida Shuttle service but IIRC APF was one of the first to go with the USAir takeover.
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toltommy
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:22 am

Gigneil -

If you look at the APF market, you'll see that it is very upscale. I believe that DL is betting that certain pax will pay more simply to fly into APF. RSW has B6 and FL in the market keeping fares down, but is a 45 minute drive to Naples. DL appears to be ready to focus on "premium" markets, i.e. markets that will bring a higher return on investment.

Combined with DL's announcement of new service to BUR, I have a thought... Maybe the secondary airport tables are about to be turned? DL is going into BUR in order to give premium traffic an alternative to LAX, and to protect yields by allowing the cost conscious to use LAX. The premium traffic could use the secondary airports, and be willing to pay that premium in order to avoid the larger airports. Just a thought....
 
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:23 am

FALCON FLYER....Give me an apx date(year) on the Piedmont thing, will ya?
I need find the flights in one of my old OAG's or Piedmont scheds.
thx for your help......
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:29 am

AA pulled out around 98 or 2000

American Eagle pulled out in April 2001. They offered three/four daily flights to MIA on ATRs.

and USAir dropped some flights then went seasonal.

US Airways ended all APF service on 15 June 2003. They offered three daily Beech 1900s to Tampa.

Only Cape air was left and Im not sure if Cape air is in APF today or they went seasonal too.

Cape Air, operating as Continental Connection, is currently seasonal. Service to MIA (four dailies) resumes in October. However, they plan to serve the route year-round starting with the summer 2005 timetable.
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midex461
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:33 am

Ok, what's next? OO (Delta Connex) flying into SDX? If that's NOT premium, I don't know what is.
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:38 am

MAH4546...thx for straightening out my woobles..
Say hello to Malmo for me...
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:51 am

Give me an apx date(year) on the Piedmont thing, will ya?
I need find the flights in one of my old OAG's or Piedmont scheds.


Piedmont Shuttle operated F28s on APF-TPA/MIA, and Henson flew APF-MCO/MIA as Piedmont Shuttle Link.

This was around the 1985-1989 time period.
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:02 am

Yep,A330323X...
There they are in my Jan 87 OAG QR. Also listed as a stand-out is the Providencetown-Boston airlines DC3 to TPA, MIA and Key West....
How bout that!
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:06 am

I've been told that FPR/St. Lucie County will try to woo major scheduled service sometime in the near future. The Treasure Coast area is growing exponentially, and people there are growing tired of driving 2 hours to MCO or 1.5 to PBI.

Of course, KFPR would require a major facilities upgrade first...
 
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 12:15 pm

Witham Field in Stuart would be a better destination that St. Lucie Intl in Ft. Pierce but the neighbors would hollar like there was no tomorrow. If Delta wanted to get really premium passengers, they will fly the 40 passenger RJ's with the extra leg room, and then upgrade to mainline equipment when the loads support it. There is nothing "premium" about being packed into a 50 or 70 seat Canadair for a two hour flight to Atlanta.
 
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 12:36 pm

I agree -- there's about a snowball's chance in hell that SUA will ever see airline service because the neighbors down there are warriors against noise. They're consumed by it. Which is too bad, because Martin County is a rather affluent market. But it's a reasonable distance from PBI.

On the other hand, Port St. Lucie and Fort Pierce both have exploding populations, as does Vero Beach. And FPR is far enough out of town not to incur the noise wrath, while operationally (in terms of runway length) viable for RJ ops.
 
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 12:48 pm

Stuart or FPR will not see any new service before MLB in Brevard County does. This airport offers far more conveniences and incentives than either SUA or FPR. Indian River and St. Lucie County residents have already proven that they are willing to drive to MLB for new or added service. Delta especially, as they already have staffing and a great relationship with the airport, will add service here before adding anything within an hour south of MLB.
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:37 pm

CapeAir is only keeping Naples as seasonal, even in 2005. Cape Air's schedules are updated only 4 times a year, so for instance the flights they have in now have no discontinue date set (and they do this for good reason), just as they did this past summer (although we have always known that APF is seasonal for 9K).

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toltommy
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:36 pm

"There is nothing "premium" about being packed into a 50 or 70 seat Canadair for a two hour flight to Atlanta."

Milesrich -

Who said the service would be premium? When DL refers to "premium" markets, they are only talking about the ability to CHARGE a premium for the flight.
 
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RE: DL Announces First Premium Destination - APF

Thu Aug 19, 2004 1:26 am

with RSW a 40 minute drive to the north, not sure how much of a premium they can charge!

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