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TAP And Portugalia Code Share

Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:22 am

Hii FOLCKS!!!!!!!

I was thinking about this and i found this very strange.

TAP joined Star Alliance, Iberia joined ONE WORLD and Portugalia joined SkyTEAM, and so... why they continue to code share the majority of flights leaving from FARO (FAO/LPFR).

Iberia started to operate faro madrid with a DASH8, but also continue to codeshare with tap and portugalia on same flights...

Strange isn't it?

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RE: TAP And Portugalia Code Share

Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:36 am

It is interesting, and it goes to show that while being a member of a major alliance, it does not mean that any agreements with other airlines should be cancelled if they are profitable for the different members. Airlines should cooperate with others as long as it is beneficial to the bottom line and their customers. Another point is that, taking the example of the code sharing between TAP and Iberia between Lisbon and Madrid, it gives additional frequencies, and feeds the respective airlines passengers to the hub of the airline. TAP thus potentially feeds additional passengers from Lisbon, or elsewhere, to Iberia's hub in Madrid, which benefits Iberia and OneWorld, as well as providing additional business to TAP.

Strange, but in some cases it just makes sense.
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RE: TAP And Portugalia Code Share

Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:48 am

Luisinho, where did you get the information that Portugalia joined Skyteam? Neither on the Skyteam website nor on PGA's website is there any mentioning of them joining...

Anyhow, TAP and PGA had cooperated before, but that didn't last too long - the current "round" of codesharing, at least between TAP and PGA, started a while back if I recall correctly, and I guess it's really mainly a matter of being able to offer more frequency and some extra destinations: PGA flies some routes that TAP does not offer, so TAP uses them to feed their services - and I guess that the same reason holds true for PGA.

As for TAP and Iberia... I guess we'll have to see how long that agreement continues from the point when TAP is really in the Star Alliance, and not "just" an airline that will soon be a member.

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RE: TAP And Portugalia Code Share

Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:43 am

Its OK that airlines can keep their code-shares with partners from different alliances. But it becomes a problem when these code-shares result in a disadvantage for an other member. And with TP code-sharing with IB it is seriously the case for JK.
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RE: TAP And Portugalia Code Share

Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:33 am

hii leskova!! Big grin

I read about the PGA entering to Skyteam on Takeoff magazine.
Everybody of aeronautical world were in portugal only talk about that!

This is a fragment of the article from the takeoff:
Sorry is in portuguese!

PGA na SkyTeam: uma hipótese viável

Sábado, 10 de Julho de 2004

Aceite que foi a candidatura da TAP Air Portugal à Star Alliance muitas dúvidas se colocam sobre a viabilidade do entendimento que foi publicamente anunciado entre aquela transportadora e a PGA Portugália Airlines. A verdade é que o processo quase que não avançou e a forma como tem vindo a decorrer, o que vai levar a TAP a integrar uma aliança global, desagrada e preocupa a PGA ao ponto de não ser surpreendente que esta trasnportadora possa vir a decidir integrar uma outra aliança, com favoritismo para a SkyTeam.
Trata-se de um cenário que está a ganhar consistência mas sobre o qual a PGA não quer, para já, falar.
Uma entrada para a SkyTeam apadrinhada pela Air France seria um procedimento natural e lógico que poderia abrir novos horizontes para a transportadora levando-a a entrar noutros mercados e a garantir aqueles que lhe são extremamente importantes, casos de Espanha e França.
Da SkyTeam fazem parte a Air France, Alitalia, Aeroméxico, CSA Czech Airlines, Delta e Korean Airlines enquanto que a KLM, a Continental Airlines e a Northwest Airlines ingressarão na aliança a partir de Setembro, tendo a russa Aeroflot manifestado a intenção de seguir o mesmo caminho.
A Espanha está fora desta aliança (a Iberia está na Oneworld e a Spanair na Star Alliance) mas não seria difícil à PGA encontrar aqui ao lado parceria para um acordo bilateral, como, por exemplo, seria o caso da Air Europa, transportadora do grupo Halcon

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