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Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:24 am

KLM has announced its upcoming winter schedule. KLM's capacity will be 9% higher compared to last winter. This due to the arrival of the three 777-200ER which will put the 777 fleet at ten.

The cargo capacity will be 11% higher than last winter which is due to the third 747-400ERF that is fully operational.

AF will seize flying to Manila en Jakarta from CDG and passengers will be booked on KL from AMS. AF and KL flights between CDG and AMS are well coordinated for optimal connections.

Europe
This coming winter KL will start a third daily flight to Bucharest. The flights to Thessaloniki will stop. The capacity to TLS will increase by switching two of the three Fokker F-100 for a 737.

North-America
On September 15th, the day that KLM joins SkyTeam, KLM will start daily services to ATL, the hub of DL its SkyTeam partner. This is possible because KL will stop service to Miami. Flights to IAH will increase from nine to ten weekly flights.

KLM and Northwest Airlines will increase the frequency to MSP from twice daily to three times a day. The codeshare flights to DTW operated by NW will decrease from four times daily to three times daily which is normal for the winter season. Frequency to SFO will also decrease from a daily flight to six times a week.

Central America, South America and the Caribbean
As of December 13th flight to Paramaribo will increase from five to six times a week. Three of those flights will be carried out by KLM and the other three by Surinam Airways. On the same date flights to Aruba and The Netherlands Antilles will also increase. Bonaire will get twelve weekly flights (which continue on to Lima, Quito and Guayaquil), Curacao gets seven flights a week, Aruba (my station) will get five and SXM will get three flights a week. This is in addition to AF daily service to SXM. The frequencies to GRU will increase from five to six times a week and LIM will increase from six times a week to a daily service.

Africa
This coming winter schedule KLM will fly daily to CPT and CAI with 777's and 767's respectively. Flights to Accra, Kilimanjaro/Dar es Salaam and Lagos will increase in capacity due to change of aircraft type. The flights between AMS and Malabo will make a stop in Abuja, Nigeria. Douala will no longer be served on this route anymore. However passengers can fly to Douala using AF via CDG.

Asia
During the winter schedule, the daily flights to Jakarta will make a stop five times a week in KUL and twice in SIN. KLM flies daily to SIN and five times a week to KUL. The five weekly flights to Manila will be carried out non-stop with a 777.

Middle-East
Flights to Kuwait will decrease from six to five times a week.

KLM Cargo
KLM Cargo will increase the amount of lights carried out with the three 747-400ERF from thirteen to fourteen return trips. An additional flight will go to SIN. This is possible by using the aircrafts more efficiently. All cargo flights from SIN and KIX will be operated non-stop.

The schedule has been changed to better suit the customer needs according to KLM. The three weekly flights to KIX will be better spread out over the week. The amount of flight carried out by 747-400 Combi to the far east will increase from eleven to twelve times a week; seven flight to SIN of which two continue to Jakarta and five flights a week to KUL also with continuing service to Jakarta. Other freighter and Combi destination remain unchanged.

source: KLM

GlobeTrekker

[Edited 2004-08-17 23:32:03]
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GoAibusGo
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:45 am

Globetrekker, with what does KLM fly to SXM (MD-11 or 747) and do they do it non-stop in both directions or via CUR or AUA like previously.

Thank you (danki)
 
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:51 am

Great news that NWA is flying all three of the MSP-AMS flights!!!! Yea.
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:52 am

- GoAibusGo
Globetrekker, with what does KLM fly to SXM (MD-11 or 747) and do they do it non-stop in both directions or via CUR or AUA like previously

KLM 785 will be routed: AMS-SXM-CUR-AMS with a Boeing 747-400.

Di nada.

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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:52 am

Globetrekker, with what does KLM fly to SXM (MD-11 or 747) and do they do it non-stop in both directions or via CUR or AUA like previously.


AUA hasnt got an SXM route anymore, its operated with MD-11 now (flew the route 11 times) and in the summer a lot 747's to.

SXM is flown by 747-400 right now via CUR




greetings,maurice
 
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:53 am

you were to fast for me globetrekker  Wink/being sarcastic



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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:48 am

Well I am happy to see that IAH will be upped to 10x weekly, if true.

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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:50 am

Will NW also join Skyteam? What about continental?
 
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:52 am

NWA is officially part of Skyteam as of September 15th! I am guessing that CO is joining that day too, however I have not seen or read their date.
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:54 am

Great to see KLM are getting stronger

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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:22 am

Thanks GlobeTrekker For The KLM Info. I wonder if IAH will ever see KL's B777 for the coming season.. I have a feeling the added flight will be KL 663 on Wend, in addition to the already FRI and SUN service using their B763. Thanks again.

--Nate
 
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:33 am

NWAFA has there been an official press release about the 9/15 date ? I don't remember seeing anything from northwest saying that - do you have insider info ? or should i look somewhere for a press release ?
 
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:00 pm

But I thought KLM was going to be murdered by AF??
guess those people were wrong  Smile
 
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:06 pm

LX23:

We'll have to see that in the future, not possible to say that now.

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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:49 pm

If I have read this properly it seems as though AF will cease flying to CGK so pax will have to route via Amsterdam.

However, if both AF and KL fly to Singapore, wouldn't it be better to fly from CDG to SIN, and change to a KL flight there?
 
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:14 pm

When AF starts moving pax via AMS, will we also see something bigger than an A320 sometime soon? It would be nice to see something dirty at our clean blue airport.  Nuts

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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:24 pm

@FJWH: what you say is possible yes, but stop the negative atmosphere. Stupid rumours are taken for real by blind people like Jwenting, and even with KLM INCREASING capacity with 9%, there will still be a "destruction process going on".

"Air France is raping KLM to death" like Jwenting once said, haven't seen much of it till now.
 
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:05 pm

@FJWH: what you say is possible yes, but stop the negative atmosphere. Stupid rumours are taken for real by blind people like Jwenting, and even with KLM INCREASING capacity with 9%, there will still be a "destruction process going on".

"Air France is raping KLM to death" like Jwenting once said, haven't seen much of it till now.


well until 2008 they even can't change KLM (contracts) or change the name. after that they are free to do what they want, i don't know what's going to happen, i guess we have to wait for the answer until 2008


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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:13 pm

Indeed: we all have to wait, Maurice, not only Sabena 690 but also Jwenting.

All we hear now are only 'assumptions', nothing official.
 
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:15 pm

The Amsterdam-Jakarta route has seen many changes over the past couple of weeks. First, KLM tagged Jakarta onto the Kuala Lumpur flight, as the Manila tag would be replaced by a non-stop flight. At the same time, KLM kept 3 weekly Singapore-Jakarta tags.

KLM consequently dropped all Singapore-Jakarta flights, leaving Jakarta with only 5 weekly services via Kuala Lumpur.

Now, probably as a result of Garuda's abandoning the route, the Singapore-Jakarta tag is back, however, only twice weekly, leaving Jakarta with daily service (5 weekly via KUL, twice weekly ia SIN).

 
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:44 pm

Indeed: we all have to wait, Maurice, not only Sabena 690 but also Jwenting.

All we hear now are only 'assumptions', nothing official.


indeed i agree with you, guess everyone has mixed feelings about the merger, nobody likes it that KLM is owned by AF now, but if KLM didn't done the take over the change would be bigger that KLM wasn't even with us anymore


maurice
 
globetrekker
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Thu Aug 19, 2004 12:58 am

I personally do not have a problem with AF (yet). The changes made until now are not very noticeable to me (ground staff at an outstation). It may ofcourse be different for staff/crew based in The Netherlands. Changes are part of life and you've got to deal with it. There is nothing else you can do about it.

What I've noticed at my station is that the KL flights also carry AF flight numbers, it is easier to get into the AF airport systems, the AF logo has been added next to the KL logo on the monitors etc. and all flights are to be announced as KL and AF. Because of the merger, we now sometimes get passengers traveling from SXM to CDG in Aruba when the AF SXM-CDG flight is overbooked. They can then fly AUA-AMS-CDG.

Our uniform HAS NOT changed as some people suggested, KLM female personnel DO NOT wear the AF scarf (as Jwenting said several times). All we got here was a key hanger and a AF pin to celebrate the merger.

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RE: Air France-KLM News

Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:52 am

GlobeTrekker, allow me to ask you an off-topic question.

On a number of occasions when flying KL I discovered on board that my seat had been allocated to another pax as well. I believe that the check-in system prevents double booking of seats, but I have been told that staff can override this manually. I can understand that there may reasons for doing this, but why is one the of the pax concerned then not intercepted at the gate and given an new seat assignment before boarding?

johan
 
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:24 am

Jrebel;

I suggest you read this thread and I hope it helps.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1566705/
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mika10021
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:34 am

Why are they dropping the flight to Thessaloniki?I thought it was doing very good.Is it temporary like when AZ dropped their flight form Milan for like a week?
 
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:42 am

Sept 15 is the official date that CO, KL, and NW all join Skyteam.
 
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RE: Air France-KLM News

Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:56 am

On a somewhat technical note, will NW be reintroduced as ticketing carrier here in Europe, or will NW tickets still be issued on KL stock resp. with KL as validating carrier? Is any change in that planned? Or is that one of the contracts that, as MauriceB mentioned, one of the contracts that won't be changeable until at least 2008?

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