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Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:03 pm

Easyjet has had it with ZRH. Good for BSL and a warning for those opposing the construction of the low cost terminal at GVA.

The Zurich to London Luton route was previously profitable, but this has been impacted by a ludicrous 132 % increase in passenger fees at Zurich in the last two years, and onerous operating restrictions. As a result, the route will move to Basel and the airline leaves Zurich after six years of operations

As Zurich Airport has now realised, if there is no realistic prospect of progress, we will take our business and passengers, elsewhere.



http://www.easyjet.com/EN/news/20040818_01.html

 
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:07 pm

Serves them right, its not as if there wanting Ryanair style charges...
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:29 pm

That's bad news for Swiss ski resorts in the winter as a lot of Brits used that route. Basel is further away from all Swiss resorts and, I imagine, will not have such good rail links either. May mean people just go to another country. It's also bad for the skiers too.

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:40 pm

ANA, they can still use GVA, which is also seeing an increase in flights from the UK this winter, with daily flights from NCL and BRS starting
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:00 pm

Ana,

Zurich has never really been that popular for skiing. Swiss ski stations are rather expensive and Geneva serves most of the skiing flights, also benefiting the fact that it serves both France and Switzerland.

All in all there is actually a pretty steep increase in flights from the UK to Switzerland this winter compared to last year. First of all with easyjet flying from Stansted, Luton and Liverpool to Basel. Secondly more daily flights from Gatwick and Liverpool to Geneva. Also the new flights from Newcastle and Bristol. Jet2 is also flying 8x weekly this winter (compared to 3x last winter), flyglobespan is flying 4x per week from EDI and 5x from GLA. Also not to forget that eujet is launching daily flights from Manston and a weekly flight from Shannon. They will also fly a weekly flight from Manston to Zurich. Add to this carriers such as bmibaby or flybe who have kept a semi-equivilent offer than last winter to Geneva.

So the statement that that there is a retreat in flights to Switzerland is false as Switzerland has gained more new flights than Austria or France this winter.

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:25 pm

Finally we will see real competition in the BSL-London route. First, BA will take over the 3 LHR-BSL-LHR flights currently flown by LX. Second, LX will start 3 daily flights (on weekdays) BSL-LCY-BSL. Finally, U2 will start 2 daily flights LTN-BSL-LTN + the current STN-BSL-STN. I will put my money in U2 reducing average fares on the route plus taking customers out from BA and LX thanks to the more convenient hours for UK passengers (depart early morning from LTN and late evening from BSL) giving you a full day of work!



 
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:55 pm

Well actually Basel is closer to some skiing resorts than Zurich, mainly if you go to the mountains in the Luzern and Bern area (or at least you are there faster due to better road connections).

Also around 99.9% of the LTN-ZRH-LTN pax were not skiers.

If you ask me it's only a matter of time until more LCCs leave ZRH for BSL. Strong rumours indicate SkyEurope and Germanwings to be next...

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:56 pm

Thomas,

Would Skyeurope and germanwings transfer to Basel also or simply give up Switzerland?

Rgds,
T.
 
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:08 pm

I only heard that SkyEurope is not happy in Zurich because of the high taxes.
Germanwings seems to be happy with the ZRH-CGN route but is considering Basel as a new hub in 2005.

Initially they were planning a hub in ZRH but nothing happened so far...
At the moment Germanwings sees a lot of passengers from South Germany using the easyJet flights in BSL so they need to do something.

I guess only time will tell but for the moment I'm just happy that the worst is over for my local airport!

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:05 pm

A shame for the passengers that used U2 to get to/from ZRH, but there are other choices available. I think another significant factor was that U2 was suffering constant slot delays & restrictions at ZRH, and this exacerbated the already high costs of using the airport.

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:18 pm

"The Zurich to London Luton route was previously profitable, but this has been impacted by a ludicrous 132 % increase in passenger fees at Zurich in the last two years"

this doesn't make sence to me. the increase in passenger fees are paid by the passengers. the only implication from here is that fewer people are using this route because they have to pay a bit more, but in my point of view this is rather unlikely as passengers usually only consider the airlinefares, and not the total costs. this habit is rather irrational.

the thing with the operational constraints makes absolute sence and i would guess that this is the main reason for EZY's leave.

RJ100:I read a few days ago that 4U is considering ZRH, BSL as well as others as new hubs, so from the official side, there is no indication that 4U prefers BSL to ZRH. however, this is only the official side and doesn't consider insider news, which i definitely do not have.
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:19 pm

RJ100, Germanwings is indeed very happy with ZRH and they are still evaluating a hub in Zurich, not only in Basel together with Munich and another german city....
 
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:50 pm

I know, Zurich, Basel, Munich, Nurnberg and Hamburg are in the run.

What I wanted to say is that Basel was never on their list and Germanwings is saying they want a hub in ZRH since they are flying there. But nothing happens there so obviously something stops them from opening a hub in ZRH.
A lot of LCCs preferred going into ZRH instead of BSL and said that, although BSL would be better in terms of fees, there is more demand in ZRH. In the recent months easyJet proofed that costs are indeed low in BSL but that there is also great demand. Therefore I think BSL is in a good shape at the moment.

Also I think that easyJet is mentioning too much in their press release that they move flights from ZRH to BSL which is not true. ZRH and BSL are two seperate markets. Not much people from ZRH will use the flights from BSL. It is more an increase in services to BSL because the current daily STN-BSL-STN service leaves full every afternoon.

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 12:26 am

ZRH is NOT costliest airport to operate. But it is the costliest airport out of EasyJet destinations (as per EasyJet) ...

Could the drop have anything to do with Helvetic? They now offer flights between ZRH and LON (I think LGW or STN).
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 12:55 am

swissgabe,

The fact that easyjet was quitting Zurich was not the biggest secret in the world, it has been clear for weeks now. Zurich is extremely costly, like mentionned above landing taxes, ground turnarounds, delays,etc... easyJet can make more money by flying other routes.

I'd think helvetic makes easyjet laugh more than worry them. First of all they are launching Gatwick (a route dropped in April), and secondly they only have one flight a day which is during the early afternoon.

I doubt anyone in their right mind will book that flight seeing that their fares are higher than BA or Swiss and that the flight time is unattractive for any business man and most people will see a midday flight as something which cuts a day into two. I don't see helvetic lasting long on that route unless they increase their frequency. London is a city which needs high frequencies especially when flown to Zurich which is a leading business centre.

Another important factor to remember is that whilst helvetic is well known in Zurich they are unknown anywhere else. Promoting who they are in London will never be done as this is too expensive for the possible benefits it could bring. easyJet, BA or Swiss on the other hand are known by the vast majority of people...

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 1:30 am

Tim, getting slots at LGW is an almost impossible thing! Helvetic got one - at least one, and they're working on more. Once you have a foot in the door there, you'll be able to get more after some time.

Passenger taxes in ZRH are indeed paid by the passengers. The problem with EZY is that they have to offer their fares including everything (I think it's by law in the UK) so when the passenger taxes are increased, their fares are automatically increased.

I have to agree that ZRH is not the most expensive airport in Europe. It's ranking rather high but it's not the most expensive.

EZY was complaining for a long time and the airport company made several studies about granting special rates to LCC's but it was not implemented as the airport wants to give the same conditions to all airlines. If EZY is calculating that tight, it's their problem...
 
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 1:36 am

From another thread but about the same topic:

In Basel you land and 3 minutes later you are at the gate while in Zurich you need to taxi for a long time. Ground time in BSL is 20 minutes, in GVA 35 minutes and in ZRH at least 45 minutes-1 hour.

RJ100, the airport company was offering EZY several parking positions where they had one of the shortest taxi times! EZY chose the one they have now - at Pier E (which is 3-5 minutes after you landed on runway 14)!

The ground time is basically determined by the Handling Agent (Jet Aviation in the case of EZY). If they are unable to perform the required turnaround in a specific time, why should the airport be blamed?

It's not shooting against you, just listing facts...
 
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 1:59 am

No problem Unique, it's a discussion forum you don't need to excuse yourself  Smile

Why are they leaving ZRH then in your opinion? Pier E sounds good and would suit easyJet well.

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:50 am

. The problem with EZY is that they have to offer their fares including everything (I think it's by law in the UK)

I think it's actually an EU law that has now been adopted by all carriers, I may be wrong but I think I've seen this in easyjet's latest ads in Europe where the cheapest return flight including taxes is listed.

LGW is an almost impossible thing! Helvetic got one - at least one, and they're working on more. Once you have a foot in the door there, you'll be able to get more after some time.

Indeed they are into Gatwick though there are other routes which could have potentially earned them better money. Getting slots to Stansted or Luton isn't very heard, Gatwick still have a few slots here. Many new airlines have recently launched gatwick without major trouble in getting slots in the morning and evening (i.e. germanwings, braathens, csa), why not helvetic? They are clearly having trouble on their business routes, why not concentrate on developing their leisure routes instead of adding business routes at times which nobody will fly at?

EZY was complaining for a long time and the airport company made several studies about granting special rates to LCC's but it was not implemented as the airport wants to give the same conditions to all airlines. If EZY is calculating that tight, it's their problem...

It doesn't seem to be only easyJet who's unhappy with Zurich. Swiss has heavily criticized Unique, Germanwings and skyeurope aren't happy. Clearly if your largest customer isn't happy and airlines are leaving something isn't going right.

The ground time is basically determined by the Handling Agent (Jet Aviation in the case of EZY). If they are unable to perform the required turnaround in a specific time, why should the airport be blamed?

The handling agent doesn't entirely determine the ground time, factors like how well the airport is planned, how busy and how many delays are likely to happen are very strong factors which influence this time.

Perhaps the best solution for unique would be to reopen terminal B (2 or whatever it is called these days) as a low cost terminal similar to what Geneva has done with the charter terminal. Not saying that this will take away all problems (and it won't) but the airport taxes would be significantly lower than what they are right now.

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:39 am

As mentioned, the main problem for easyJet is not only the handling fees, but the operational restrictions and the regular slot delays the company suffers. The flights at ZRH take no longer to turnaround than at other easyJet destinations, again it's the delays and curfews etc. which make ZRH a problem for the airline. I know this myself as I regularly fly into ZRH every month.

The problem is particularly acute for a low-cost airline such as easyJet because they like to get their planes in and out quickly, with minimum fuss. Even though the ZRH flights always seem fairly full, the profits obviously don't offset the costs.

With regards to Ray's comments on ZRH management living in the 'old world', well, that's probably partly true, partly a bit of propaganda.

cheers

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:39 am

Ive flown EZY’s LGW ZRH route a number of times, but not for about 8 months now. I’ve never known the a/c to dock at any pier. We’ve always been bussed to and from the a/c, is that normal or was that due to the modernisation work of term M.


Im surprised to see EZY dump ZRH from it's network, this could be to knock some sence into ZRH and EZY might re start ZRH's routes once it gets some of its A319's on order and pass the costs to the tix price.
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:42 am

We’ve always been bussed to and from the a/c, is that normal or was that due to the modernisation work of term M

I don't know whether that was 'normal' or not, usually it depends on availability, but on all of the flights I've been on (from LTN), the aircraft has always secured an airbridge.

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:58 am

Swiss has heavily criticized Unique, Germanwings and skyeurope aren't happy

Tim, that's definitely true! But isn't LX complaining about everything?

One example: Swissport was informed that they will get 30% less money for their handling performance. Swissport obviously had to cope with this by cutting service, even getting rid of staff. Now LX is complaining that they don't get the service they pay for and their flights are sometimes delayed due to lack of loading staff.

Another example: LX is doing a wheel change on the parking position at the time the flight should depart but without telling Apron Control (who do the stand allocation) and against the written rules in AIP. The planning was such that a few minutes later, the gate was to be taken by an inbound LX flight. This flight obviously had to wait for the gate to become available and some of the transfer passengers just made their connecting flights because these flights waited for them. Another gate was not available at that time because all gates were taken.

LX complained that the overall punctuality performance of the airport is not acceptable...

Some problems (of LX as well as of others) are home made!
 
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:16 am

Unique,

You seem to be well informed about all the operational problems Swiss have in Zurich, you wouldn't happen to work in Apron Control would you?

I can see your point in all of these things, Swiss seem to like to emphasize on some small problems to divert the attention from the parts in their operation where they struggle the most.

Tim
 
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:43 am

This probably sends a warning to other airports easyJet operates to, not to mess with their charging structures or easyJet could do the same thing and pull out.

I would have thought many European airports are knocking at easy's door begging for new services to be served from them, so it wouldn't take much to find a replacement service. Similar to how the service has moved to Basle.

Unlike European flag carriers where for example an airline might operate the one service to their capital city, easyJet usually flys to multiple cities in Europe from an airport and means far more than loosing the one service.
 
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 12:55 pm

...you wouldn't happen to work in Apron Control would you?

Tim, no I'm not! But I have to do with these sorts of things!
 
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:43 pm

This is sad. I ws very much looking forward to flying that cancelled ZRH-LTN flight sometime soon (probably one only chance to try EasyJet). Now I've got a ticket on BA711, ZRH-LHR instead. And will have to take public transportation to Luton... Oh, well...

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Opera

Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:09 pm

in the original thread it is mentionned that there is consideration given to a new terminal at GVA, does anybody have any information on this?

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:26 pm

Strange explanation of Easyjet.... ast time I checked, the airport tax is charged to the passenger and not the airline. Therefore I can't see the connection between increased passenger taxes and the profitability of the operation......

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:31 pm

The landing taxes didn't rise since the last 20 years as per today's Swiss news paper Tages Anzeiger
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:51 pm

...and onerous operating restrictions.

I'm wondering why nobody talks about the operating restrictions!
That's an area where Zurich is defenately a world champion (in a negative form, imo)
 
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Opera

Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:51 pm

MD-11 forever I think Runway23 and Unique might be right in saying that the prices the clients pay is all inclusive so they usually dont see the ZRH taxes unless they look at the breakdown, usually they just look at the final price, many flights I have taken have had taxes costing more than the airfare.

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:10 pm

In today's newspapers easyJet says that not only taxes influenced their decision. They say it was also due to operational restrictions and because they have free capacity in BSL.

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:20 pm

Strange explanation of Easyjet.... ast time I checked, the airport tax is charged to the passenger and not the airline. Therefore I can't see the connection between increased passenger taxes and the profitability of the operation......

Not strange to me. Yes it is the pax who pays the fees, but the average pax does not differentiate between airport fees and airline fare. If I am shelling out CHF 150 for a ticket, it makes no difference to me - from an economical point of view - how much of that is airport fees or fare. What it counts is how much I will be out of pocket. Where the money goes after it leaves my bank account, if to the airport or the airline, is not my problem. Remember: there is only so much the leisure traveler is willing to pay to fly nowadays. Therefore increases in airport fees most often mean proportionate decreases in the airline fare, as to not push the total price out of the range your customers are willing to pay. This reduction in the fare eats away the airline's profits to the point of making the service unconomical for the airline to operate.
 
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:13 pm

in the original thread it is mentionned that there is consideration given to a new terminal at GVA, does anybody have any information on this?

This is going as planned, with renovation to start in a few weeks time and the terminal to be inaugurated in fall 2005. The terminal will serve easyjet and virgin express. Airport taxes should be around 14CHF in that terminal vs. 19CHF in the main terminal.

Services will be totally stripped down, i.e. you carry your bags to the aircraft and check-in is done using e-chekin machines (similar to those being tested by easyjet in Nottingham EMA right now). Turn around time should decrease to about 20 minutes. By using this terminal easy's french services (paris and nice) will become international as they will no longer be flown ex. France as they currently are.

Another new thing in Geneva will be T3 used as the new charter terminal which will be used solely for check-in, arriving passengers will use the main terminal. Construction of T3 is to begin shortly finishing by the end of this year. Finally, the last 2 gates of the NSEF (the A gates) will be finished in December giving a total of 14 brand new gates, including 2 which can be used for either Swiss or French operations.

Hope this answers any questions you may have.

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:34 pm

Therefore increases in airport fees most often mean proportionate decreases in the airline fare, as to not push the total price out of the range your customers are willing to pay

What about the fuel surcharge due to increased oil prices? Is any airline going to cancel any flights because of this? Don't think so... Are any passengers cancelling their trips because of this? Don't think so...
 
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:10 pm

There is no UK law that states easyJet (or anyone) has to publish fares incl. taxes.

@Unique: You would be surprised how elastic the demand for air travel is; how a few Euros can be the difference between someone flying, taking another transpôrt or not going at all.

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:37 am

Teahan, time will tell!

Station Manager of EZY told me once about this inclusive taxes fare thing...

Good luck to EZY at BSL!
 
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:26 am

Do, 30.09.2004
OAW006 ab 14:20
an 15:00
Ticket 99.00 €
Gebühren 33.00 € 132.00 € > 9
Fr, 01.10.2004
OAW006 ab 13:25
an 14:05
Ticket 99.00 €
Gebühren 33.00 € 132.00 € 9
So, 03.10.2004
OAW006 ab 14:50
an 15:30
Ticket 99.00 €
Gebühren 33.00 € 132.00 €
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:30 am

ok that is 264 Euros return and flying times are not very good...

If they would have early morning/late evening flights then this is a good price for a late booker but they will never beat an early booked easyJet flight tariff!

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:42 am

The frequency can be expected to be improved. And it anyway is the best option both for passengers from ZRH and Eastern Switzerland as well as for visitors to ZRH and Eastern Switzerland (Grisons, etc, included) and Vorarlberg.
 
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:28 am

@ME AVN FAN : Helvetic’s offering on the London run is pitiful. The frequency point has been mentioned (present is what should be considered instead of speculating on potential increases) and their fares are almost always higher than both BA and LX, even at a few days notice.

Furthermore for a so-called ‘Low Cost Airline’, the average fare is more than two and half times easyJet’s. In Zurich’s relatively competitive market, I doubt the sustainability of the single fare concept.

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:28 am

Like said above Helvetic with that time and price won't do well on ZRH-LGW. Even Swiss and BA have lower prices than that and better times. I'd expect people wanting low fares to London to either go to Basel or Geneva, unless Helvetic redo their pricing structure and improve those unattractive flight times.

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:46 am

Just been rereading the topic and saw a comment which caught my eye:  Wow!

@Runway23: "Services will be totally stripped down, i.e. you carry your bags to the aircraft and check-in"

Actually no. You will carry your bags to baggage trolley but not all the way to the aircraft.

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:54 am

I'd expect people wanting low fares to London to either go to Basel or Geneva...

No way on earth I would fly to GVA when living in ZRH! GVA is another 3 hrs by train (and trains are not really cheap in Switzerland). Imagine you arrive at 10pm and need to continue to ZRH... In this case I'd rather pay more but get home at a civilized hour!
 
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:01 am

@Unique:

No way on earth I would fly to GVA when living in ZRH! GVA is another 3 hrs by train (and trains are not really cheap in Switzerland). Imagine you arrive at 10pm and need to continue to ZRH... In this case I'd rather pay more but get home at a civilized hour!

Not all that sure about GVA either but BSL does seem a reasonable proposition. Journey time from Zurich-HB to Basel airport is about 1:20 with two reasonable options every hour. If the total cost saving is significant enough, you will have people opting for it. A notable number of present easyJet GVA passengers come from as far away as Central Switzerland/the Mitteland region.

Regarding train fares, when you take into account the demi-tarif (which the majority have), train fares here are the lowest in Europe.

Finally, in such a situation I would make sure not to book a flight arriving at 10pm.

Jeremiah

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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:55 am

Hello to Swiss friends:

I don't think Easyjet's Press Release is entirely truthful.

For me, it's simply they can build up a cheaper Swiss base in Basel than Zürich - it's not to do with "132% increase in passenger charges".
Sure they're not happy with ATC delays, things like the extended approach over Zürich East etc. but they've been fixated on Basel for some months now.

Also, as Teahan points out:
"If the total cost saving is significant enough, you will have people opting for it."

Yes. We live 3km off the extended centerline of Runway 16 at Zurich, yet we're now flying Easyjet BSL-LPL to get to (wonderful) Manchester.
150CHF return including taxes!! 2 adults and an infant! That's just ridiculous.

Easyjet's new slogan should be "it's cheaper to fly us than go for a meal in Zurich"

Now that Unique have finally put a roof on the Bus Station  Wink/being sarcastic I hope they think carefully about the Easyjet exit, don't "shrug off" what's happened and come up with some fresh ideas to grow the business in ZRH.

Cheers und en Schöönabig,
 
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:02 am

Its well known that easyJet dont like the current charges in ZRH, if they did, they would have stayed at ZRH. By expanding at GVA, and BSL, they will have a greater chance of success in the Swiss market
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:04 am

No way on earth I would fly to GVA when living in ZRH! GVA is another 3 hrs by train (and trains are not really cheap in Switzerland). Imagine you arrive at 10pm and need to continue to ZRH... In this case I'd rather pay more but get home at a civilized hour!

Yes I'm not saying everyone will, but I've already seen quite a few people do it. Geneva's parking is significantly cheaper than Zurich, if the price is right some people will do it. The same can be said about people who may go to Munich or Basel. Remember that not everyone uses the train to go to the airport...

Standby87,

At this time Basel isn't an easyJet base simply a point-to-point destination, although this may change in the foreseeable future. Right now easyJet's bases in continental europe are Paris, Berlin, Geneva, Dortmund and Amsterdam (which is closing in October, with AMS becoming a normal point-to-point destination).

Regards,
Tim
 
teahan
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RE: Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate

Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:15 am

@Runway23: "Right now easyJet's bases in continental europe are Paris, Berlin, Geneva, Dortmund and Amsterdam (which is closing in October, with AMS becoming a normal point-to-point destination)."

AMS is presently not an easyJet aircraft base; though there will be significant cutbacks from the winter schedule the airport will not change status.

Jeremiah
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