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Is ABZ-GRQ On BMI Profitable?

Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:09 am

This is IMO not a leisure route, but is there enough business (oil) to make it profitable?

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RE: Is ABZ-GRQ On BMI Profitable?

Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:51 am

I can't speak for bmi regional, but before they came along Eastern Airways did this route and the flights were essentially a contract for Shell, therefore almost certainly a profit-making exercise. Eastern used the J41 at first and it was almost always fully loaded passenger-wise. The plan was for their Saab 2000 leased from Golden Air to do this run in between the ABZ-NCL-SOU sectors. However, things changed and bmi came onto the route instead.
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RE: Is ABZ-GRQ On BMI Profitable?

Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:53 am

Wasn't the T3 service a charter?
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RE: Is ABZ-GRQ On BMI Profitable?

Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:01 am

Yes, a scheduled charter though. It was scheduled to leave ABZ every Mon, Wed, Fri at 10:30. A short time later (just after I left T3) it became a full scheduled service and appeared on their timetable for anyone to book. Not sure why this was. It could have been a drop in revenue from Shell (or even the contract expiring) or maybe a reaction to bmi announcing its intentions to fly the route.
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RE: Is ABZ-GRQ On BMI Profitable?

Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:54 am

The business traffic on that route isn't oil. It's gas.

Oil companies deal in gas as well as liquid petroleum products, so that's where the need is.

If anyone's interested
http://www.geo.tudelft.nl/fmr/deosletter/97-1/html/art4/node1.html

Groningen is one of the largest natural gas fields in the world.

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RE: Is ABZ-GRQ On BMI Profitable?

Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:04 am

The HQ of the Dutch Gas company Gasunie is in GRQ. Also the dutch oil company NAM is based in Assen, just 15 km south of GRQ. Since both have many platforms on the North Sea close to Aberdeen that will be the reason for this line. It just opened not long time ago also to the general public, although the fares are high. maybe a touroperator will jump in soon.

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RE: Is ABZ-GRQ On BMI Profitable?

Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:19 am

What other routes are offered from Groningen? My e-timetables doesnt show any flight to AMS, PAR or LON.
 
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RE: Is ABZ-GRQ On BMI Profitable?

Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:28 am

JoFMO,

For a long time we had a GRQ-AMS, but KL stopped the route. After that an other airline operated the route, can't remember the name now, but that didn't last long. Ryanair flew GRQ for a few years, but that also just stopped. Al they have now are a lot of holiday charters, and business flights. They are growing fast according to their website. http://www.gae.nl/index.cfm?&language=en

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Groningen Airport Eelde is the regional airport for the northern part of the Netherlands. Each week, around one thousand passengers depart from Groningen Airport Eelde to their holiday destination. There are about 15 weekly charters to 8 different destinations. Furthermore many passengers make use of the daily scheduled service to Aberdeen from Monday through Friday. The airport also facilitates private charterflights for business travellers around Europe.

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RE: Is ABZ-GRQ On BMI Profitable?

Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:05 am

Just was at Groningen internet site. It could be high-ranked in the list of airports with the smallest amount of scheduled traffic. Monday to Friday to Aberdeen with BMI and Monday and Friday to Norwich by Eastern Airways. Thats an amazing small number of flights.
 
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RE: Is ABZ-GRQ On BMI Profitable?

Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:55 am

Not to mention the KLM flight academy...
 
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RE: Is ABZ-GRQ On BMI Profitable?

Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:58 am

Don't forget all the charters and business flights.. This summer i was sitting outside on the terrace and I had 2 737's and a 757 parked in front of me at 20 meters distance... No fence, nothing.... I love those small airports!

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RE: Is ABZ-GRQ On BMI Profitable?

Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:47 pm

For a long time we had a GRQ-AMS, but KL stopped the route. After that an other airline operated the route, can't remember the name now, but that didn't last long.

Wasn't that FlyMetropolis?

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RE: Is ABZ-GRQ On BMI Profitable?

Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:09 pm

Here is a link to local paper for you folks. Apparently things are going a little better for BMI on this route in comparison to when they first started it. Article is dated the 11th May 2004, having a look to see if there is anything a little more recent.

I'm sure the money from the Scottish Executive is a help!?!?!?!


http://www.thisisnorthscotland.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=149235&command=displayContent&sourceNode=149218&contentPK=9910086
 
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RE: Is ABZ-GRQ On BMI Profitable?

Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:45 pm

This is a business route
Next week loads

MON ABZ GRQ 37 GRQ ABZ 16
TUE ABZ GRQ 9 GRQ ABZ 23
WED ABZ GRQ 25 GRQ ABZ 21
THU ABZ GRQ 21 ABZ GRQ 22
FRI ABZ GRQ 10 GRQ ABZ 30

This is on the ER3 that seats 37 so loads not too bad
Fares are between 148 and 494 pounds return

Cheers!
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