geizistgeil
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"Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:36 pm


News just reported that a Spanair on its way to the runway in CGN caught fire and pax were evacuated with slides.
Seems, that there were no injuries! The a/c was going to PMI.
No infos what caused the fire or which type.

Bad start for a holiday!

MS

[Edited 2004-08-20 11:36:48]
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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:47 pm

update:
it was a McD-83 with 168 pax (7 of them got minor injuries).

"Durch einen Hydraulikschaden ist Öl auf das heiße Triebwerk getropft. Das hat zu einer starken Rauchentwicklung geführt" sagte die Flughafensprecherin.
"Due to a damage hydraulic liquid pour on the engine which caused heavy smoke" a spokeswoman of the airport said.

Seems not that bad - luckily it happend during taxi.
Waiting for the first pictures....


[Edited 2004-08-20 11:54:26]
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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:46 pm

7 people were affected by smoke inhalation and were taken to hospital. Smoke started in the cockpit and must of the wounded were crew. plane was an md83
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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:07 pm

"Spanair, its always spanair!"

Why do you say that???


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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:19 pm

Yeah, Catatonic, that's your word. Very wise description of yourself, boy... Almost as wise as your comment.

The incident occured during taxi, and as soon as the crew noticed the smoke (NOT the fire) the taxi was stopped and the aircraft evacuated. The only injuries (physicakl ones) were two people who suffered of light burbings on their hands due to having scratched them.

Everybody on board has been driven to a hospital as mandatory by air safety regulations, but nothing surprising is expected after the examinations.

The aircraft is going to remain grounded at Köln until further technical inspections have been carried.

Enjoy turbulences!!!

[Edited 2004-08-20 14:20:18]
 
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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:24 pm

Peter, spanair are cursed with minor incidents, look it up in the search under spanair and incidents. Stuck in the mud at glasgow, damaged door in stockholm, skidded off the runway in munich and there was a recent incident at liverpool and now this. All this in the last 4 years, more than the average airline of similar fleet size experiences dont you think?
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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:36 pm

Turbulence - Thankyou for your cheap insult, my comments were backed up with evidence provided, please read. Should you feel the need to make further hissy little comments please feel free to do so, the majority of those who possess a degree of intellect just disregard as I have done.
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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:38 pm

Well Catatonic, as long as its only minor incidents, We don't have to worry too much  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:46 pm

"Turbulence - Thankyou for your cheap insult, my comments were backed up with evidence provided, please read."

Sorry, pal, not at the moment I wrote. Your evidence was posted later, after someone asked you (more politely than me, I must accept) what were you meaning.

"just disregard as I have done."
I disagree: as you answered it seems that you did not disregard.

(above text edited after having read Mr Catatonic's further better explained reply)



OK, that's quite a better explanation of your "feelings"...

My most sincere apologies.

Anyway, as you say, they are minor incidents. I'm not trying to justify anything, but in any case, incidents, not accidents. It can have been bad luck, too. Skid unpon landing under heavy rain, for example. Having a door damaged by a jetbridge is not company's responsability.

Anyway... five incidents in four years, can't judge how good or bad average it is.

If you want another one, I flew BCN-PMI round three weeks ago, and the flight was 2 hours late because teh pressurization system of "my" M83 was not working properly.

Enjoy turbulences!!!

[Edited 2004-08-20 15:06:33]
 
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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:56 pm

I think all of the incidents with spanair have just been bad luck, that is what I'm trying to say, it could happen to any airline no matter how good their maintenance is or how good their pilots are, its just that spanair have been unlucky. I would have no hesitation in flying with them I think their safety record is as good as the rest and better than most, better than britannia (Just thought I'd throw that in)!
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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:04 pm

Turbulence,

Catatonic is dead right - I myself posted an evacuation of a Spanair flight not so long ago at PMI.

Spanair are having a run of incidents - Catatonic simply made an observation. Perhaps you should reread his posting before becoming personal.

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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:17 pm


skidded off the runway in munich
Catatonic, just a remark: the one that skidded in MUC was an Air Europa plane...not to Spanair...

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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:22 pm

DARIO....


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Looks like a Spanair to me!



P.S. Thanks Mark
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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:35 pm

"Looks like a Spanair to me!"

Just a little  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:43 pm

Catatonic,

Well, then, there was also another incident Embarrassment the 20th June 2004 in which a Boeing 738 EC-HKR skidded of the runway 26R getting out in fast taxiway A6.

It seems that our spanish carrier are not lucky Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:45 pm

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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Sat Aug 21, 2004 8:26 pm

OK, let's see...
If you read all the replies in the correct chonological order (now not totally possible, since what was originally reply #2 by Catatonic has been deleted (I wonder why  Smile/happy/getting dizzy ), you'll all see that:

When I initially posted my first reply (now #4) the only comment by Catatonic was "Spanair, it's always Spanair", with no further comments. My replay was to give some light from a Spanish Agency (not necessarily meaning more accurated, but at least supposedly spoke directly with Spanair) and I added an ironic commentary about silly useless comment, now deleted. That's why Maersk737's reply (#3)makes no sense: it quotes a sentence that cannot be found.

Afer that, Catatonic wrote a more satisfactory and self-explanatory reply (#5) and replied to me also (#6)

Finally, I wrote message #8, got reply #9, and everything seemed solved.

But there comes Mr. 7LBAC111 and accuses me of "becoming personal" just because I ironized on a now deleted meaningless sentence. Well, maybe 7LBAC111 became personal on me just because the flag that appears next-to my name is the same that appears next-to Spanair's planes registration.

Pal, I cannot "reread" a reply BEFORE it is posted. That simple.

My "attack" towards Catatonic was written when he had just written a useless reply, and only AFTER my words he posted a better explanation of what he meant. When I posted my first post, there was no observation made to be read.

Hope evereything has been clarified. Should Catatonic have posted first his explanatiry reply, I would have never ironized on him. That's all.

Enjoy turbulences!!!

 
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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:04 pm

Turbulence - So childish, why cant u just drop the subject. For a start you should have at least waited for me to reply to Maersk737's question before jumping down my throat, by the way:

"Catatonic has been deleted (I wonder why)"

Probably because you suggested it be deleted
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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:17 pm

I dropped down the question, at least in front of you, when things seemed resolved and understood. That past.

My last post was not adressed to you, but to 7LBAC111 just to clarify the order in which things happened. I do not like to be accused for no reason. That fair.

About your answer to Maersk737, you just could have given your explained answer first, and nothing of this would have never occured. That easy.

As for the deletion of your reply, and because sometimes it happens what I wrote above, that some replies remain meaningless after, I do not suggest deletions. That clear.

Enjoy turbulences!!!

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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:37 pm

Turbulence,

The flag before your name has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on why I responded to what appeared to be an unnecessary personal attack on Catatonic. Why you feel it necessary to mention that is beyond me, and I imagine most people reading this topic.

Your response was quite clearly Yeah, Catatonic, that's your word. Very wise description of yourself, boy.

That is derogatory, derisory and sarcastic, and it is for that reason that I do suggest deletions.

Turbulence, this is a discussion forum, we will all agree and disagree with each other from time to time. Posts like yours above are not beneficial to any of us.
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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:59 pm

Hi Mark, (and everyone else)

Look, let's stop all this. It has become nonsense. You write about "posts like yours are not beneficial to any of us". OK, maybe I ironized on Catatonic, but from my first post I explained what I knew. On the opposite hand, Catatonic had just written a nonsense sentence.

That "Catatonic is dead right" is possible for me to see, also. As everybody has read, he explained more logical things, to what I answered with my apologies. He went also further adding that these events could be just bad luck.

The posts that "are not beneficial to any of ours" is the first plain simple useless now deleted "Spanair, it's always Spanair" that originated all this misunderstanding.

I hope everything is clear and have no intention to come back to this topic. It is plain clear that I ironized on an initial useless comment, not on any explained knowledge, and that after an explanation I offered my apologies.

Enjoy the hobby.

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RE: "Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)

Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:30 pm

I also thought that catatonic's first reply was a little "mysterious"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
But he backed it up very nicely, with hardcore facts!

My respect to catatonic for that  Big thumbs up

Cheers

Peter

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