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UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:07 pm

In the opening post on this thread, the poster says that UA might be going on strike this weekend....what the heck?! Anyone know?!?

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1708237/

I searched some news websites MSNBC.com, CNN, and local news in my area and can't find anything. Please tell me this is NOT true and just pure speculation.
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:10 pm

Dude, here in Denver, if a guy overhears a conversation two off-duty rampers are having about the remote possibility of United going on strike in the way-distant future, it's all over the news.

Our local news hasn't reported anything on a UA strike, so it's a safe bet that they are not.
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:16 pm

Makes me wonder where people get these stupid rumors AND why employees make stupid rumors in the first place....

Edited add:

Come to think of it, since UA is now in bankruptcy, do the employees have to have the bankruptcy court's permission to go on a strike or stage anything? I thought that since UA is in bankruptcy, all union contracts are null and void until UA emerges from Ch. 11. If the employees went on strike, it would be considered a illegal work action and would be contempt of court. Correct me if Im wrong in any of this.....

[Edited 2004-08-21 10:21:02]
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:20 pm

It is a UK issue with their two unions Transport and General Workers Union (T&G) and Great Britain's General Union (GMB). Note the article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3582554.stm
It isn't UA that is on strike it would be the baggage handlers in the UK that are This kind of strike effects all the UK airports as well as any company that contracts employees in either union. As you read in the article it isn't happening.


[Edited 2004-08-21 10:23:29]
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sat Aug 21, 2004 7:42 pm

Sorry to say it is true, a 2 second search on Google is all you nee to find out more....

From www.reuters.com...

LONDON (Reuters) - United Airlines ground staff at Heathrow airport plan to strike on August 27, a union says.

The Transport & General Workers Union said on Friday about 700 United Airlines baggage handlers and check-in staff at Heathrow would go on strike for 24 hours from 4:30 a.m. next Friday.

The union said in a statement that United staff plan to strike after rejecting the company's pay offer.

United is 20 months into a complex bankruptcy case.


This has also been reported in the Chicago press as well as extensively here in the UK.

Sorry guys, looks like UA LHR op's are to be severly disrupted next weekend. Like BA, I hope a resolution is found.

And this is just UA staff not all airlines at LHR.

[Edited 2004-08-21 12:44:37]
 
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sat Aug 21, 2004 9:28 pm

Wow, I hope it stays in London! I am flying UA out of LGA September 7th!
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:07 pm

So UA puts the stranded pax on other carriers to get them back across the pond
and pays the other carriers to do so. This is an additional drain of cash UA needs so very much. Do those idiots realize they are only hurting themselves? An airline strike or slowdown is more cash down the drain. It just hastens, not retards the beginning of the end of the company. It puts them out in the street a lot faster. The rank and file will get the shaft. The guys in the ivory tower will find work a whole lot faster. Wake up dummies!
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:13 pm

But United may have trouble putting its stranded passengers on other airlines. I know the flights from LHR on AA are packed to the rafters. I'm sure BA and VS are just as full.
 
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:41 pm

well, they don't need other airliners seats - they just need some ground handlers from other airlines. probably, BD and LH will help them out or anything so there will be delays but not too many pax are stranded.

(just my speculation, but I guess, if they go on strike, that's how they'll handle it)

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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sat Aug 21, 2004 11:43 pm

not only is the lhr ua people threatening to strike, but ba has announced that they are not accepting any more res for that same weekend as they are in the same boat as ua. also this is only happening in the uk.
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sat Aug 21, 2004 11:55 pm

UADC8contrail, BA has reached agreement with their unions and the BA strike has been called off. United has not been so lucky, and the signs are that it will go ahead.

Eurostar is also striking, so not a fun Bank Holiday weekend for travellers  Sad
 
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:27 am

Doesn't it seem like somebody in Europe is always striking? They must be the unhappiest companies over their, maybe it is the rain and drizzle that brings the moral down. Smile

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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:38 am

It gets worse.


If the London workers bring picket lines to U.S. airports, members of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers will not cross them, said Randy Canale, president of the IAM district for United.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0408110157aug11,1,1705916.story?coll=chi-business-hed
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:31 am

Lets clear this up here and now. The CS people in LHR are not going to be striking in the states...They have already said this. They want to prove a point not shut the airline down. Also UA will be running a full schedule that day. They will be flying management employees from around the system to cover the striking employees. No Need to worry or blow this out to something bigger then it is.

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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sun Aug 22, 2004 2:10 am

Daumueller.
Lets get one thing straight. NO Union member from any other airline or ground handling company would go near UA aircraft or airlines that they handle next Friday, and this includes EK / NZ / BW / RG .
The reason UA are will be going on strike at LHR,is because the employees have bent over backwards to help the company after 9/11 and they have been offered an appalling pay offer which are linked to certain conditions that'll make there life at work worst that it is already. As NYCAAer has already stated, If UA can't fly there own aircraft they will have great difficulty trying to find space on other airlines. I know for a fact that AA is jam-packed at present and I should imagine VS and BA are also.

Perhaps some UA employee at LHR is an A.Nutter and can give us some more details.

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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:29 am

I also read, I think in the Chicago Tribune, that if UA's ramp workers at LHR go on strike, and aircraft at LHR are serviced by either scabs or a third-party contractor, UA ramp workers in the U.S. may refuse to service aircraft arriving from or departing for LHR.

If the British union does send employees to picket at U.S. airports (my guess would be IAD, JFK, ORD, DEN, and SFO) UA's unionized employees will not cross those lines, pursuant to their collective-bargaining agreements.

This will put UA in a very tough situation.
 
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:53 am

If the London workers bring picket lines to U.S. airports, members of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers will not cross them, said Randy Canale, president of the IAM district for United.

Well, I suppose this could happen, but just because Canale said it doesn't mean it's going to happen. Canale isn't thought of too highly by many IAM employees. I think most would rather cross the line and get their paycheck than support a movement that's hurting their employer even more. But, that's the kind of world we live in. If you don't get your way, everyone else has to suffer too. Sad, truly sad...
 
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:18 am

Thank god I'm flying UA/LH IAD-FRA-DXB next thursday, hopefully it won't effect anything else around europe.
 
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UA Going On Strike

Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:05 am

It is very disappointing that some of the unionized workers can't see beyond their own personal situations. If United takes a strike hit-any kind of strike hit-then it is conceivable that the banks may pull their financing. No bank is going to commit over $1B to United if its employees can't understand if they don't pull together, its over.

If Canale is going to be a leader of his union, then he needs to get his members to stand fully behind management. If the strikers in the UK don't have the support of the unions in the US, and the unions here come out strongly against the action at LHR, then they may save themselves. If they follow the strikers in LHR, then they are going to hurt a heck of a lot of people more than just themselves.

Calmer heads need to prevail now.
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:28 pm

any lhrcs people here that can shed some light as to what glenn and his posee of high paying bean counters have offered??????
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:20 pm

How many flights does UA operate out of LHR on a daily basis? And what are these wonderful unions trying to achieve? How much money will be in their members pockets if UAL pulled out of LHR?

Like I've said before, these unions are rotten and well past their sell by date!
 
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:34 pm

I think Glenn and the "high paying" bean counters are offering a way to keep a job, keep working and even an outside shot at retirement because what is being used now doesn't work and the whole bunch including the bean counters are heading for a real big train wreck and unemployment.
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:40 pm

well, they don't need other airliners seats - they just need some ground handlers from other airlines. probably..

Not if the pilots, gate agents and f/a's refuse to cross the picket line, which is likely.
 
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sun Aug 22, 2004 2:04 pm

ual alpa would cross in a heart beat if it meant getting paid even to sit on the tarmac....with "brakes released"they nor afa and the upper mgmt that has "contracts" at ua give a rats a$$ about anyone except them selves....all randy is doing is driving the short yellow bus down the same road that the ea people rode back in the 90s...........
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sun Aug 22, 2004 2:10 pm

TUGMASTER....

Lets get one thing straight. NO Union member from any other airline or ground handling company would go near UA aircraft or airlines that they handle next Friday, and this includes EK / NZ / BW / RG .


This is not true becuase UA already has another ground handler lined up to handle the flights that day. In fact, UA is planning on handling the flights regardless of what happens with the unions. The same holds true in the US. The IAM plans to work these flights in IAD, ORD, JFK, and SFO. If there are any IAM employees that choose not to work these inbounds, they will be disciplined (and alone) as usual. Canale is full of @#$% and the rest of the IAM group does not always follow what he claims.
 
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:30 pm

Ok I asked this in post # 2:
Come to think of it, since UA is now in bankruptcy, do the employees have to have the bankruptcy court's permission to go on a strike or stage anything? I thought that since UA is in bankruptcy, all union contracts are null and void until UA emerges from Ch. 11. If the employees went on strike, it would be considered a illegal work action and would be contempt of court. Correct me if Im wrong in any of this.....

Does anyone have an anwser for me if I am wrong?? Anyone?!?
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:36 pm

They probably wont strike but if they do then. They might as well start looking for a job.

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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:52 am

You Brits are making this look like it serious. Nothing is going to happen. Some of the folks who have responded have make some good comments, however it wont come to the US. I highly doubt you will get the pilots not cross the line, and the F/A's will do what the pilots do.

This is all going to be OK. By the way, how much does a LHR CS agent make these days?

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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:43 am

If UA did strike they would be finished.......... once and for all!!
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:56 am

AirframeAS-

I 'think' no matter what condition an airline is in, no employee group union or not can do a 'wildcat' strike due to the Railway Act. A strike can happen if after all talks have failed, a strike vote has been cast and approved, and a strike deadline set.....at least that is my understanding of the Railway Act.

AirframeAS..? what airline are you with now in PHX...?
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:08 am

this could be a way for glenn to finally start contracting out everything from cs,ramp and cargo.....if we have any lhr or euro people in here...can you shed some light on the laws regarding contracting out services that were held by a union person that is on strike?????
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:35 pm

The stike is by UK employees & union, so the Railway Act does not apply.

There are plenty of jobs around in London, so the UA employees there won't be too bothered if UA does go away. Why don't they just quit you ask? Probably because they are so hacked off, that they want to hurt the company... It happens
 
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:47 pm

There are plenty of jobs around in London, so the UA employees there won't be too bothered if UA does go away. Why don't they just quit you ask? Probably because they are so hacked off, that they want to hurt the company... It happens

I swear, some people are so narrowminded. If these employees actually think this way, they deserve lose their jobs. They are bascially saying "I want the company to fail, screw the other 75,000 employees..." Makes me sick.
 
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Mon Aug 23, 2004 3:21 pm

AirframeAS..? what airline are you with now in PHX...?

EMBQA, Im with no one right now. I resume A&P school tomorrow morning at IWA. Once Im done with my A&P classes, I hope to return to AS either in SEA or OAK.

If I may ask, why were you asking? Just curious on why.
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:45 am

United Airlines Statement Regarding London Heathrow Strike Announcement


CHICAGO, August 19, 2004 – The Transport and General Workers Union, representing some ground employee groups at London Heathrow Airport, has informed United of the intention of its members to take part in a 24-hour strike at London Heathrow, commencing August 27 at 4:30 am local time.
United believes that it has made a fair pay and conditions offer to its employees and, as such, is disappointed with this decision. Nonetheless, we still intend to meet with the union committee to get their feedback on what issues remain, and we believe they can be resolved through negotiations.

If that doesnt occur, United has put a contingency plan into place, and we fully expect to maintain our full flight schedule at London Heathrow through the period of this 24-hour strike and beyond.

Customers can continue to book on United with confidence, knowing that United continues to be committed to providing all our customers with the service and route network they expect.

Maybe they have another carrier or group in place to work our flights, if so? Lhr employees are gone. They have already made strides in pay increases, lets hopethe brits don't get greedy.

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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:26 am

Send some furloughed UA employees to replace the LHR employees during this strike. Just my opinion....
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:34 am

Settled! No more threat of a strike! UAL was really smart to get this settled quick and avoid further disruption.

There is a press release on the http://www.united.com website, under press releases.
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:56 am

Why does United have 700 CS and Ramp workers in London? Doesn't that seem high for ahout a dozen flights a day?

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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:59 pm

Apart from it's own operations at LHR, UA also provides ground handling for various other airlines: NZ/EK/BW in customer service, plus a few more in ramp operations. EK have 4 flights daily, NZ 1 daily, and BW 1 daily. This is the reason for the number of emps. The 700 also includes employees in the Cargo/Airfreight section.
 
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RE: UA Going On Strike?!?!

Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:34 am

adh214,
No, that doesn't seem high. UAL Had 93 employees in AKL before we pulled out, only 2 flights their. When you have CS,FLT ATT. RED CARPET,MECHANICS, so on and so forth that seem right.

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