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...that Never Crashed –––> Until First Crash

Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:16 am

The recent thread about A/C that have not yet experienced a catastrophic hull loss with fatalities has reminded me of the long period during which Airbus planes flew without accidents.

Air France introduced the A300 in 1974, and, if I'm not mistaken, there were no major accidents until Iran Air in 1988. And that one could hardly be blamed on the plane.

After that, Airbus planes have had a fine safety record, comparable with airliners of the same generation(s).

If China Airlines and Thai had not been Airbus clients, the Airbus record would have been even better (and I'm saying that as someone who would be delighted to fly CI or TG any day).

And what I bring up about Airbus was true of the Boeings of the time too. The Lauda catastrophe was quite a while after the intro of the big twins.

The first generation of jets certainly didn't wait 14 plus years to experience trouble. In any case, in those pre-simulator days, the airlines were experiencing horrific training accidents.

And now it looks (knock on wood, as someone said on the other thread) like the new generation will break that record.

Still, if someone had asked me, say on Jan 1, 2000, to name 2 airliner+airline combo that would NOT crash that year, I might have answered "Air France Concorde, and Singapore 744".

About 15 years ago, I remember an Economist article predicting a major hull loss per WEEK by now! I don't think the traffic figures did keep up with the projections in that article, but no matter, flying today is safe, safe, safe...
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RE: ...that Never Crashed –––> Until First Crash

Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:31 am

The first crash of an Airbus A300 was not Iran Air in 1988. Which was not a crash actually ...

The first crash of an A300 occured on Dec.18th 1983 on approach to KUL. The aircraft (OY-KAA) sold by SAS to Malaysian Airlines System
was operating the delivery flight from ARN.

Another A300 accident occured on sept.21st 1987, at Luxor (Egypt) where an Egypt'Air A300-B4 (SU-BCA) crashed during a training session, killing all crew on board.
 
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RE: ...that Never Crashed –––> Until First Cras

Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:23 am

About 15 years ago, I remember an Economist article predicting a major hull loss per WEEK by now!

Odd, I remember the exact same prediction. I believe I saw it on CBS News, which probably regurgitated it because it was so alarming (and came from a reputable source).

Though I'm sure that prediction had a lot of qualifiers around it - I do remember them saying things like "at the current rate of expansion" and "if nothing's done to improve our air traffic control system". Of course, the system has been improved, and air traffic has not expanded quite that quickly. But still, it is pretty amazing how safe air travel is today compared to even 10-15 years ago - at best I'd have thought the total number of accidents would have stayed pretty constant, but it's actually dropped. And the accident rate has dropped by a lot.
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RE: ...that Never Crashed –––> Until First Crash

Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:31 am

About 15 years ago, I remember an Economist article predicting a major hull loss per WEEK by now!

But that was before USAir straightened up and got on the ball. :-P
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RE: ...that Never Crashed –––> Until First Crash

Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:28 am

Still, if someone had asked me, say on Jan 1, 2000, to name 2 airliner+airline combo that would NOT crash that year, I might have answered "Air France Concorde

...why?

It'd have been one of my first suggestions for one that would  Crying
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RE: ...that Never Crashed –––> Until First Crash

Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:14 am

The Boeing 767...

Apart from the Lauda Air which chrashed soon after takeoff in bangkok.
All the other accidents involving 767s were ET(hijacked and had to make emergency landing in water), MS(suicide), and the UA,AA(into the twin towers).

Overall. the 767 has been a pretty safe airline.
 
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RE: ...that Never Crashed –––> Until First Crash

Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:30 pm

Air France introduced the A300 in 1974, and, if I'm not mistaken, there were no major accidents until Iran Air in 1988.

The first crash of an A300 occured on Dec.18th 1983 on approach to KUL. The aircraft (OY-KAA) sold by SAS to Malaysian Airlines System
was operating the delivery flight from ARN.


Actually neither was the first. On 17MAR82 an AF A300B4, F-BVGK while taking off from Sanaa experienced an uncontailed failure of the stage 1 HP compressor disk of the no. 2 engine. The fuel tank was punctured by debris and the aircraft caught fire. None of the 124 on board lost their lives but the aircraft was lost.

The Malaysian incident was the second. The third was an Indian Airlines A300B2, VT-ELV which overran the runway after a bird hit on 29SEP86. The aircraft was damaged beyond repair.

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RE: ...that Never Crashed –––> Until First Crash

Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:45 pm

Blueduck,

You're forgetting the AirChina 767 that crashed in 2002:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/2002/020415-0.htm
 
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RE: ...that Never Crashed –––> Until First Crash

Mon Aug 23, 2004 3:04 am

Don't forget the AA A300 that crashed into Queens on takeoff from JFK in November of '01.
 
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RE: ...that Never Crashed –––> Until First Crash

Mon Aug 23, 2004 3:35 am

@Scorpio
yes, I guess CA pilot errors are responsible for loss of B767 airframe.
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RE: ...that Never Crashed –––> Until First Crash

Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:40 am

As far as I remember the Malaysia Airlines A300 crash (then known as Malaysian Airline System) - was NOT on its delivery flight but was operating on the SIN-KUL shuttle service in the early evening and there was a terrible monsoon storm that night. I remember watching the news soon after that night and the camera crews were on-site filming the rescue operations and there were people being pulled out from the wreckage. Amazingly - all passengers survived the crash as it crashed short of runway 33 at Subang Airport. I seem to remember the aircraft was actually on lease from SAS...


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RE: ...that Never Crashed –––> Until First Crash

Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:51 am

Well PIA flew an A300 (Might have been an A310) into a mountain.

A large number of A300/A310 Write offs have involved either pilot error or CFIT. Of course there have been some exceptions.

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RE: ...that Never Crashed –––> Until First Cras

Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:04 pm

Indeed PIA had an unfortunate accident which claimed the life of a friend's sister who was on her GAP year whilst travelling to Nepal. That was after '88 though (in response to the original thread topic).
 
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RE: ...that Never Crashed –––> Until First Crash

Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:48 pm

Vimanav,

Air France's A300-B4 F-BVGK DID NOT CRASH. Take off was aborted after an explosion in the GRT 2.
Crew and PAX evacuated safely but the a/c was damaged beyond repair by fire, because of the late intervention of the fire brigade at Sana'a Airport.