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ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:36 am

I apologise if this has already been discussed but have searched extensively using the search engine for the forum and could find anything...

I have just read in Aircraft Illustrated - September edition that ATA intends to launch Transatlantic services from next year, using a 757-300 and Cologne is likely to be one of their first routes.

Does anyone know if this is going to be a scheduled service or a charter and where in the US will it be operating too? I am very surprised they say it is a 757-300 as I did not think these had the range or capability to fly accross the Atlantic. Also I did not think it was ETOPS enabled for these sort of routes.

Could these be similar services operated by both Thomas Cook and SkyService between the UK and Toronto where flights start from £188 inc tax using 757's on a daily basis.

The exact article is very small and on page 23...

"US budget carrier ATA has confirmed that it intends to launch trans-Atlantic services from next year. German airport Cologne/Bonn is seen as a possible destination, with ATA's B757-300's considered an ideal type for a low cost trans-Atlantic flights"

[Edited 2004-08-22 22:02:56]
 
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RE: ATA To Fly To Cologne From US Using A 757-300?

Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:53 am

Depending on where they fly from, the 753 should be able to make it. Now, MDW-Koeln, I don't know if it can. Also, some routes across the Atlantic require no ETOPS at all, because of all the airports in Greenland, Canada, Iceland etc. Besides, ATA flies LAX-OGG and LAX-HNL non-stop, and there are NO alternative airports there
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RE: ATA To Fly To Cologne From US Using A 757-300?

Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:56 am

ATA's 753 fleet, at least most of it, is ETOPS. Obviously, Hawaii requires it.

I would be surprised by a 753 getting a good across the Atlantic, but I'm sure its possible. It would have to be from the Northeast.

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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:32 am

I thought the intention was for the -200 series to be the main aircraft for the European flights.
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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:52 am

ATA e-mailed me saying there is a good chance that they will be at GLA very soon.
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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:04 am

If and when ATA starts operations to Europe (it seems that Cologne will be the first city to receive service - from which US city is still a big question) it will be with 757-200 aircraft, according to most reports and rumors. The 752 should not have a problem with a US east coast-Cologne segment; as pointed out above, the 753s are doing a lot of Hawaii services and also show up on high denisty US mainland routes.
 
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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:56 am

The 75-300 are also doing military
 
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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:05 am

it was my understanding that ata plans to use 757-200 aircraft. i could be mistaken though.
 
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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:41 pm

The 753 is more economical than the 752 but the 752 has a longer range. The 753 can make it to Europe but it would have to be from BOS or JFK.
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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:37 pm

To Capt078: that was my understanding too, that it was to start with the 757-200. That is a good trans-Atlantic aircraft, I worked several of the ORD-FRA flights when we did charters out of there. CGN sounds like a great destination as does GLA. I was originally hoping for LUX but CGN could supply pax from Belgium and Netherlands as well....overall a good choice!

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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:59 pm

Last Thursday I saw an ATA 757 in Boston...

Don't know if that helps, though.
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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:07 pm

BOS and NYC are indeed the most frequently rumored US gateways.
ATA considers both the -200 and the -300 as suitable for transatlantic flights, and the latter is frequently used for military charters:


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I am not quite sure how far into Europe they can fly from the US. Someone with more insight correct me please, if I am wrong, but I think most of ATA's MAC flights stop over at SNN. I still believe that CGN shouldn't be a problem, though.

Two weeks ago a German daily reported that ATA is also in talks with Berlin.
We should hear by October if (and what of) ATA's plans come to fruition.

On a side note: does someone here know, when the next D-check is due for one of ATA's L1011-500?
 
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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:16 pm

Condor (Thomas Cook) flies their 757-300 transatlantic once a week on their Hanover-Moncton-Toronto-Hanover (HAJ-YQM-YYZ-HAJ) charter flight (summer only).
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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:28 pm

ATA has been operating 757-200's Trans-Atlantic for quite a while. If fact the first RVSM flight ever was an ATA 757-200 en route to the UK.
 
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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:55 am

I'll agree that the best cities on the east coast to launch such service are BOS and NYC. There is one problem. ATA only has facilities at LGA not at JFK. LGA has a perimiter rule and therefore they could only have these flights go out on Saturday. Out of BOS, ATA would be able to go daily.
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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:09 am

<< ATA only has facilities at LGA not at JFK.>>

Not quite correct. ATA currently serves LGA, but not JFK. However, ATA does have a pilot crew base at JFK, and all previously scheduled long-haul flights departed from JFK too. Shannon and Edinburgh come to mind, as well as countless charters.
 
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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:13 am

KiwiNandy,
ATA flies 757-200s on the MDW-BOS run so that's probably the plane that you saw.
 
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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:19 am

As an ATA gate agent at MDW, I read an employee article stating that George Mikelsons (Chairman of ATA) plans on using Orlando as the departure point for these overseas to Europe. He stated that if we were to use New York , or Boston, on the east coast, we'd get killed by other airlines. I think MCO would be ok, but I also think that now that MDW is international, we could monopolize the nonstop Europe market out of Chicago Midway.

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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:36 am

Not sure you could go non-stop MDW to Europe due to runway configurations at MDW. At least, the runway length would have some impact on max TO weight, which would have the effect of either limiting the number of pax or more likely, how much fuel could be uploaded at MDW.
 
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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:43 am

Kevin - a fully loaded (pax/fuel) 757 can not take off from MDW. You get payloadrestrictions even going out here (SEA) sometimes!

Orlando-Cologne is 4666 miles - the 757-200's published range is 4390 miles. And that is under favourable conditions.

A fuelstop will make the market appeal considerably less favourable, and a very hard sell.
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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:00 pm

"A fuelstop will make the market appeal considerably less favourable, and a very hard sell"
I agree...while I'm sure ATA would love to be able to fly some European flights from MDW since they get connecting traffic, the lack of a nonstop route will put them at a huge disadvantage compared to the carriers at ORD. But, they may be able to make a one stop route work from MDW if they can offer significantly lower fares than ORD airlines, and serve a route that is not currenlty served from ORD (CGN fits this profiie). They'll probably have a tough time luring the business travellers who want the quickest route, but they may find some leisure travellers willing to endure a slightly longer trip to save some money.
 
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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:08 pm

I wonder if the plan to sell Midway facilities effectively shuts down any possibility of scheduled European flights.

From the Financial Times:

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/c1089cfe-f534-11d8-85e9-00000e2511c8.html
 
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RE: ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?

Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:25 pm

As a visual aid... here's the range of a 757: