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Fokker 100 In SCL?

Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:44 am

Why in SCL are JJ Fokker 100? This route is not supposed to be in an A319/320?


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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:18 am

It was a charter. Search in the forum, it was posted some days ago.
 
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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:26 pm

RCS: wrong, it wasn't a charter

Fokker: The TAM that you are looking at the photo is TAM Mercosur (PZ), not JJ. PZ has regular service in F100, announced to be upgraded. But since SCL is the likely next destination for JJ, we'll probably see their 320 here.

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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:03 am

Arcano is right. PZ do fly the F100 to SCL (well, that's all they have!) since ASU is far closer to SCL than GIG or GRU (can an F100 do GIG/GRU-SCL?), and is therefore within the aircraft's range parameters. PZ also send the F100 to EZE from ASU via AGT and CWB, from where it goes on to MVD.

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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:07 am

RCS: what thread are you talking about? I don't remember any lately report about JJ and Santiago, but I haven't been here 24/7.

BTW, thanks for the photo, Fokker, I haven't watched it yet! SCL looks awesome there, beautiful airport, beautiful day and beautiful Andes, doesn't it? Even the white towers of each jetway look in harmony with the snow!

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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:22 am

Opps, yes it was the PZ service, but there was a thread that said: "hey spotters in SCL, there will be a TAM charter, be ready" or something like that, ill do a search.
 
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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:23 am

 
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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:59 am

Gracias por el link, me lo habia perdido!
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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:05 am

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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:01 am

TAM (JJ) is studying to start a service from GRU to SCL with A320 but not confirmed yet.
 
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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:20 pm


Hi!

When I flew TAM Mercosur the flight originated from Buenos Aires. I took it at Curitiba, then we stopped at Foz do Iguaco/Ciudad Del Este, then Assuncion ( where I left... ) and headed to Santiago do Chile, and it was the little buzzy bee Fokker F100! Now it looks that the Fokker takes all day to make this route, can anyone confirm me that when he lands at Santiago he heads back to Buenos Aires doing the same route and stops again? Maybe because when I took the flight back to Curitiba my flight supposedly should leave Assuncion at 17:45 so it might be true!
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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:15 am

CV990:

PZ does not fly SCL-EZE directly. I'd imagine it goes back to ASU from SCL. PZ operate a small but complex network out of Asunción (ASU) and Ciudad del Este (AGT) in Paraguay to Buenos Aires (EZE) in Argentina; Cochabamba (CBB) and Santa Crúz de la Sierra (VVI) in Bolivia; Curitiba (CWB), Foz do Iguaçu (IGU) and Sao Paolo (GRU) in Brazil; Santiago (SCL) in Chile and Montevideo (MVD) in Uruguay. Few of these destinations are served directly, but from most you can connect with PZ's parent carrier JJ.
Indeed, PZ's small fleet of 3-4 Fokker 100s are almost always on the go, and when one requires heavy maintenance, JJ immediately provides a replacement.

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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:51 am

"I'd imagine it goes back to ASU from SCL"

Yes, you are right, and codeshare the routhe with LAN, bacause LA decided not to fly to Asuncion after the merge with UC (ASU was UC route: SCL-ASU-SAO-RIO).

PZ alse had seasonal flights in Chile to IQQ (Iquique), duty free city in the north of Chile, very important in international trading.

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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:55 am

Arcano:

PZ also codeshares with AR, since AR no longer use their own aircraft to fly to Paraguay. Same may be true of routes like CWB. ASU seems to be a very unattractive place to fly to (AA serves erratically as an extension of MIA-GRU leg, if load factor is sufficient, but IB and LH don't), maybe on account of its abandoned, forgotten, boneyard feel:


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Out of interest, are there ANY Paraguayans in the forums?

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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 5:42 pm


Hi!

I just saw all the photos posted by LVZXV and I have an update on that..... well the boneyard "changed" a bit, you still have 2 L188 and a 707 there, the rest is over, no more DC-6's!
When I was in Asuncion last June I saw in prestine condition the Paraguay Air Force 707, also 3 T-33's, 3 Xavantes and 3 Tucanos, 2 C-47's that looked quite good and a CV240/340/400 also from the Air Force but didn't look that was flying. When I left Asuncion at night I saw 1 CASA C-212 Aviocar also from the Air Force parked.
Airliners at Asuncion I saw 2 TAM Mercosur Fokker F-100's, one that was on his way to S. Paulo and our that came late from SCL and was heading to Foz de Iguacu/Ciudad Del Este, Curitiba and Buenos Aires ( PT-MQM ), there was also a Varig 737-300 heading also to S. Paulo and an American Airlines 767-300 heading for S. Paulo and Miami. That was about it!
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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:40 pm

Lloyd Aéreo Boliviano and PLUNA also serve ASU 3 x weekly from VVI and MVD if I remember correctly. I flew out of ASU last September on one of Lloyd's 737-300s to VVI (lovely to see the red Paraguayan soil on the climb-out). I saw two or three ex-LAP 707s broken up at the end of the runway and some L-188s but yes, no DC-6s. The Air Force 707 (FAP-01) is still airworthy and has been retained since after being put up for sale, it found no buyers (I wonder why...). It's incredible how Paraguayan aviation (if you discount PZ which is essentially Brazilian) got stuck half a century behind the rest of the world (the 707, DC-8 and L-188 are all '50s technology, in spite of upgrades).
In the military section, I saw a pair of Tucanos and Xavantes but also something more "high-tech" shall we say, either one of the F-5s acquired from Taiwan or a foreign F-16 on an exercise...either would look suspicious! Also, at the boarding gate, I saw a lonely "AA" tail, a VARIG 737 and several C-46s operating what I guess were smuggling flights out of the semi-derelict airport. Paraguay is the smuggling capital of the world, remember, a trade which actually bolstered the economy under Stroessner in the '60s and '70s, attracting many foreigners.

Back on topic, does PZ serve Ciudad del Este (AGT), Foz do Iguaçu (IGU), or both?

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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:07 pm


Hi!

First of all Ciudad Del Este and Foz do Iguacu is the same, this because is almost like a twin city, so when we book a flight to one of those cities infact you're flying to both in the same airport. The airport is very small, just a building facing a runway and that's it! At least when I landed there the TAM Mercosur crew would say something like this; " Ladies and Gentlemen, we just landed at Foz do Iguacu/Ciudad Del Este Airport, those that finnish their flight please leave now the airplane." - This would take about 10 minutes, then those inside the airport would walk and board the Fokker F100 and in about 20 minutes between landing and take-off we would be in the air again, and it looks that runway clearance was the most easy way to take-off again, just get in the runway, backtrack it and take-off right away!!!
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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:25 am

CV990:

Actually it's a triple city if you think about it (Ciudad del Este/Foz do Iguaçu/Puerto Iguazú--hence the infamous nickname of "La Triple Frontera"), and as far as I know, they are 3 separate airports (AGT/IGU/IGR). However, maybe for security reasons, and since IGU is a great nexus between Paraguay and Brazil, both JJ and PZ land there, not least because you have far more onward connections with JJ, RG and VP, than you do from AGT, from where ONLY PZ must operate.
I heard the same announcement as you when landing at IGU (but I was on a JJ Fokker 100 from GRU), but it's just to say that if Ciudad del Este has an airport code, it must have its own airport.
Maybe someone from Brazil can draw the distinction between AGT and IGU, and if TAM serve both?

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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:04 am

AGT has its own airport and PZ operation.

PZ is studying another operation in Puerto Iguazu (Argentina),or also IGU (Brazil) not decised yet.

It is not the same airport and are different operations.
 
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RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:33 am

JJMNGR:

So to clarify once and for all:

  • Neither JJ nor PZ fly to IGR (Puerto Iguazú) (yet).

  • In the Triple Frontera region, JJ only serves IGU (Foz do Iguaçu) from GRU (Sao Paolo).

  • PZ has a Fokker 100 "shuttle" service between ASU (Asunción) and AGT (Ciudad del Este).

  • The route ASU-EZE (Buenos Aires) goes via AGT and CWB (Curitiba).


  • ...leaving only one question unanswered: Do PZ serve IGU? If so, is it a segment in itself or does it connect with a JJ aircraft to GRU?

    AAAGGGHHH!!! Confusing, I know!  Nuts

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    RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

    Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:06 pm

    PZ does not serve IGU. They have plans to start ASU/IGU/CGB...but only studies yet.

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    RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

    Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:23 pm


    Hi!

    I just flew Curitiba, Foz de Iguacu last June, I have a photo taken when I was taking! And the flight was a PZ one ( TAM Mercosur ), the planes were PT-MQT and PT-MQM, both TAM Mercosur ones.
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    RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

    Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:58 pm

    CWB has a flight to IGU but it is JJ not PZ....maybe you are a little confused as aircrafts are the same for both companies. It was definitely a JJ flight.
     
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    RE: Fokker 100 In SCL?

    Tue Aug 31, 2004 12:16 am


    Hi JJMNGR.

    My flight was PZ716 from Curitiba to Asuncion with stop at Foz de Iguacu and during the boarding and inside the airplane they always called had TAM Mercosur. What I've noticed is the fact that in the TAM Mercosur Fokkers F-100 by the front door instead of having just the brazilian flad they had all the flags from the Mercosur countries. But the livery otherwise was full TAM.
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