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Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:42 am

http://ifdg.net/forum/index.php?s=5291597884c6115ddaaf7b2956e90d58&showtopic=3792


Here is the interesting link.

Looks like they are getting 18 773ERs, that is great news . Airbus is offering the A350 to challenge with Boeing's 7E7. More info in this article.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:57 am

I find it a bit suspicious that they are the only ones who have reported it.

Is the possible-A350 the 330-lite?

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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:58 am

This was rather expected... surprised they've yet to tack the inevitable 772LR portion onto it.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decisi

Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:49 am

I really like that cute little foot-in-mouth simely that forum has... prehaps we should adopt it  Big grin

Anywho.. I find the idea of Airbus buying back portions of the SQ 777-200ER fleet a tad ironic, looks like Leahy took some notes from the A343 fiasco. Then again, there is no way in hell SQ will part with the 50+ 777s they now have.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:58 am

I find there to be zero credibility in this article's headline. It even goes so far to say that the deal is being delayed by a 346 counterproposal from Airbus.

It doesn't confirm anything, it just repeats facts that we all know.

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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decisi

Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:13 am

From what I know, it has been confirmed by Flight International...

[Edited 2004-08-24 04:22:20]
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:25 am

Hmmm... let's see... Singapore = a happy camper with A310-300 for their regional routes throughout Asia. I believe they kept them in line for what? 15+ years? Making it one of the longest lasting types in their fleet.

I won't be surprised by Singapore going with 7E7. But don't rule A350 out yet. We'll have to wait until next year with the decision...
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:42 am

From what I know, it has been confirmed by Flight International...
Guy Norris, one of the authors of the linked report, is an editor of "Flight International".  Big grin

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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:42 pm

OK, I give up. What is a A350? Stretched 320? Shrunk 340? 330 with a new skin & modified 7E7 engines? Is there an artist sketch or is this just a dream in A's mind? Nothing shows up on airbus.com.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decisi

Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:05 pm

OK, I give up. What is a A350? Stretched 320? Shrunk 340? 330 with a new skin & modified 7E7 engines? Is there an artist sketch or is this just a dream in A's mind? Nothing shows up on airbus.com

As it is described in the article, it would feature an A330-200 fuselage at lower gross weights with wing modifications and newer engines. I see a problem in using the existing A332 fuselage, you end up with huge big airplane. The 7E7-3 is well sized for regional widebody flights, while the "A350" would hold a precarious niche between the 7E7-3 and A330/777-200A.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:26 pm

Seems that they are not replacing the entire B 747-400 fleet for now and most of them will stay for a while.

The B 7E7 makes more sense I think.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:33 pm

Has this so-called "A350" even been formally announced by Airbus? I find this whole thing hard to believe....even a new name doesn't change the fact that it's just another A330.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:53 pm

OK, I give up. What is a A350? Stretched 320? Shrunk 340? 330 with a new skin & modified 7E7 engines?

You can rule it out as a variant of the A320 - ever since SQ got rid of their B757s (after only a few years' service!!), they've never "downgraded" their product offering to narrow body!!!
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:08 pm

The "A350" - and the first time I have heard it referred to as that - has certainly not been formally announced, its main purpose is to compete with the 7E7 in much the same way that Boeing has shown renewed interest in a 747X following the A380's enthusiastic response. But I agree if the A350 were to be successful it would need some large fuselage modifications to put it in the 7E7 size market.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decisi

Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:38 pm

This is also confirmed in the most recent Flight International.

The only reason Singapore is waiting on the 7E7 is to get better pricing. There is no way that Airbus can achieve the same performance as the 7E7 and deliver before 2008.

Smart, if you ask me... make Boeing sweat a bit.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decisi

Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:46 pm

BoeingBus

Whatever , that is a typical answer from a Boeing fan. This kind of comment is definately not needed in this post. Please guys, no A vs B war .

Back to the topic, There is still a possibility that SQ will order the 7E7, they havent ruled out the aircraft yet but don't be surprised if they get the A350.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:02 pm

Is it official that SIA will order the 777-300ER?
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:06 pm

BoeingBus,

'''There is no way that Airbus can achieve the same performance as the 7E7 and deliver before 2008.'''

The 7E7 has never flown.......... How can you compare performance if it only excists on paper? Maybe you can show us some proof?

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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:14 pm

I see a problem in using the existing A332 fuselage, you end up with huge big airplane. The 7E7-3 is well sized for regional widebody flights
Ain´t the 7e7 a little wider then the 330 ?

One of A330´s biggest strengths; it´s huge wings are limiting it in regional services. On a "350" Expect a significant shorter wing probably with big winglets..

The article says the 773ER selection came in large because a recent (July) enhancement package that makes it more competitive with the 346HGW. Anybody why/what improvements were needed ?

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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decisi

Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:14 am

Kl911,

I was simply illustrating the point that Airbus doesnt have the time it needs to properly compete and match the performance benchmarks that is currently targeted by the 7E7. It's funny the Airbus partisan folks simplify what Boeing is actually doing with the 7E7.

According to the article, it states that Airbus will have the A350 on or before 2008.

With this little development and research time all Airbus can do is come up with a lighter version of the A332, which achieves some effieciency. But it's not going to be to the level of the 7E7 as it weighs much less due to the composite structure, which the A350 will never have.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:19 am

Is it official that SIA will order the 777-300ER?
Nothing is official. That article says that an announcement is due soon, but I am still pretty skeptical of the article.

The 7E7 has never flown.......... How can you compare performance if it only excists on paper? Maybe you can show us some proof?
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:24 am

It hasn't been confirmed by Flight International the scan in the original post is the Flight International article, which appeared in yesterday's issue! As far as I'm aware this is the only recent published information on the subject - not 2 independent sources as some seem to think.

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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:36 am

Seems that a lot of their B 747-400s will stay for now. When it comes to 100% replacement I hope they will opt for some B 747 Advanced, let's say 25-30. 18 is not enough for sure.

Maybe more A 380......

So what's up with the B 777-200LR decision? No news?
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decisi

Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:40 am

That SIA will end up with some goddamn 773ERs seems inevitable for almost everyone. What else do they have to choose from to replace their first batch of 744s at the moment? New 744s? too old for a technical forerunner as SIA. A340-600s? Seems SIA tends towards Boeing more.
But I still hope Boeing can convince SIA to order the 747 Advanced next year and the possible 773ER becomes a interim solution only. I wouldn´t miss anything if FRA would never have 773ER traffic.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:46 am

I also don't understand it when people say that the A330 has a fuselage that's too large. Won't the 7E7 be competing in the same category as the A330, thereby having a (almost) similar width or size as the fuselage of the A330 and carrying almost the same number of passenger (same length as the A330)? I think the main problem facing Airbus is the amount of composite materials used in the 7E7, which Airbus can't offer at the moment. Airbus will have a greater chance in competing against the 7E7 if they also develop an aircraft with about the same amount of composites and other material (aluminum etc.) as the 7E7 will have. Airbus claims the technology is not advanced enough to use so much composites in an aircraft, while Boeing thinks it is. This is why I like the battle between Boeing and Airbus. It's always interesting to see how they fight it out. Both Boeing and Airbus offer very good aircraft in my opinion.

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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:52 am

I don't understand it either. The A330 and the A300/310 feature the same 222in fuselage width.

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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:55 am

Na,

I am sure they will place a large order if Boeing makes one

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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:08 am

I still can't see A350 as being viable for Singapore. It's still going to weigh more and won't have the cabin benefits (higher humidity/lower cabin alt) of the 7e7.

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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:18 am

The article says the 773ER selection came in large because a recent (July) enhancement package that makes it more competitive with the 346HGW.

There really is no "enhancement package" per se... just a combination of lighter-than expected airframe and more-efficient-than-expected GE90s.

There is however, a retrofit option available to bring early 773ERs (in the 750,000lb MTOW) to the cuirrent maximum specs to soon be offered.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:25 am

I think that if they are to order anything, it will be the 7E7, but the real reason for the delay is probably not the need to evaluate another aircraft, but to see how the new band of low cost carriers - Tiger, Jetstar and Valuair - will affect the airline. Remember that these aircraft will operate routes within roughly a 4 hour radius of SIN (although the 320 could possibly do routes to Japan or even PER); bearing in mind that most SIA A310 flights were within a radius of about 4 hours, the choice of an aircraft which will effectively be its replacement MUST be influenced by the competition and it's likely effect. This is a whole new ball game for SQ and clearly, there's no point in spending billions on a shiny new fleet if the likes of Valuair and Jetstar Asia are going to run rings around them.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:11 am

IMO this is the swansong for the entire SQ 747 fleet  Big grin

Keeping my fingers crossed for A350! *whatever that craft gonna look like*

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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:27 am

IMO this is the swansong for the entire SQ 747 fleet

here's hoping  Big thumbs up
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:00 am

No doubt they will convert these 18 as firm orders from 44 options that they hold on the 777 type.
It would seem that the -300ER could fit their future fleet plans with its range of 7880nm and 365 seats in 3-class. Presently they are operating their -400's with 392 seats in 3-class.
It is worth noting that they have still to take delivery of 6 each 777-200; -200ER and -300 and they have options on 6 -400's.
ANZ said that they saw the -300ER as a possible -400 replacement.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decisi

Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:21 am

Won't the 7E7 be competing in the same category as the A330, thereby having a (almost) similar width or size as the fuselage of the A330 and carrying almost the same number of passenger (same length as the A330)?

They have a simmilar cross-section, but the 7E7-3 is significantly shorter than the A330-200. The 7E7-3 will seat 217 in a three-class configuration whereas the A330-200 seats 250+ in three-classes. The 7E7-9 and A332 will however be closely sized.

I don't understand it either. The A330 and the A300/310 feature the same 222in fuselage width.

The A330-200/300 are much heavier than their shorter range, lower capacity predesecors. It is the same reason many A300 customers were not completly satisfied with replacing an A300 with an A330.

It's still going to weigh more and won't have the cabin benefits (higher humidity/lower cabin alt) of the 7e7.

Comfort is nice, but it won't be the huge money maker that low opperating cost or revenue cargo are.

It hasn't been confirmed by Flight International the scan in the original post is the Flight International article, which appeared in yesterday's issue! As far as I'm aware this is the only recent published information on the subject - not 2 independent sources as some seem to think.

Yeah I just realized this myself...  Big grin

The 7E7 has never flown.......... How can you compare performance if it only excists on paper? Maybe you can show us some proof?

The 7E7 has been a concept for over 2 years and major design work has been taking place for longer than 8 months. Windtunnel test, aerodyamic modeling, and configuration studies are likely completed. Major contracts such as engines, avionics, systems, and materials have been awarded... so at this point, no matter where Boeing is exactly, they can promise a lot more than Boeing can at this point.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:10 am


If you go into Google and do a search on "Singapore Airlines" . There is a link to a Seattle Times article on the subject.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:17 am

Interestingly they still hold 6 B 747-400 options.

The entire B 747 fleet is going no where. Just some of the oldest ones are leaving.....
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:41 am

The six B744 options are for the B747-400F version. If the announcment is true, it'd be good to see SQ go for fleet commonality over engine commonality.

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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:58 am

B747-400 (MEGATOP)
Engine Type: PW4056
In Fleet: 29
On Firm Order: -
On option: 6


Guess its for pax! Coz they are talking about the pax fleet in the website. Not sure about that. I think its up to them whether or not to exercise them.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:01 am

SQ goes for whatever that is better for them
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:10 am

Here is the latest:

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aBaDHKmjzrug&refer=us

"Boeing Co., the world's second-largest commercial-aircraft maker, won a $3.7 billion order from Singapore Airlines Ltd. for 18 long-range 777s, beating out Airbus SAS, said people familiar with the plan.

General Electric Co. will supply the engines, in a $540 million order that would be its first from Asia's most-profitable carrier. An agreement in principle will be announced tomorrow, the people said.

[...]
The order is the first sale of 777s to the airline with General Electric engines. Rolls-Royce Plc is the engine supplier for all of the 777s in Singapore Airlines' current fleet."

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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:28 am

Interestingly they still hold 6 B 747-400 options.
As mentioned, they are for the freighter version.

In this press release, http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2000/news_release_001019a.html, it states that six were ordered, with no mention regarding options.

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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:11 pm

The fleet info was talking about passenger aircraft.

Thought those 6 B 747F orders are firm orders. So i guess those 6 are pax B 747-400s. Doesn't mean that they will order them. UA has 30+ B 747-400s options what I heard (Correct me if I am wrong)

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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:02 pm

". . .surprised they've yet to tack the inevitable 772LR portion onto it."

I don't believe that will come immediately. Possible, but unlikely. It's more likely they won't order the -200LR (if at all) until next year, at which time some of these options will be converted.


"I find the idea of Airbus buying back portions of the SQ 777-200ER fleet a tad ironic, looks like Leahy took some notes from the A343 fiasco."

If you read the article closely, SQ actually wants Boeing, not Airbus, to buy back a few (derated) -200ERs. This is surprising, since they are also postponing their regional fleet order.


"Seems that they are not replacing the entire B 747-400 fleet for now and most of them will stay for a while."

Depends on what you consider 'most of the fleet.' Of 42 pax. aircraft delivered, 1 crashed a few years ago, 4 are already operating with other airlines, and another 8 stored and have been put up for sale. That leaves a total of 29 operting aircraft. This is before any 350-seat order (looks to be 777-300ERs) as well as the introduction of the A380 in 2006. Like it or not, the vast majority of the pax. 747-400s will be gone by the end of the decade.


"Won't the 7E7 be competing in the same category as the A330, thereby having a (almost) similar width or size as the fuselage of the A330 and carrying almost the same number of passenger (same length as the A330)?"

The 7E7 will actually have a slightly wider cabin than the A330, though not as wide as the 777. However, the 7E7-3/-8 will be 11' shorter than the A330-200, and of course, significantly lighter (especially the -3). As for passenger capacity, Airbus lists the A330-200 as a 253-seat (3-class) aircraft, while the 7E7-3/-8 is a 217-seat aircraft. OTOH, despite the smaller size, Boeing is promising nearly identical cargo capacity as the A330-200. Will be interesting. . .


"No doubt they will convert these 18 as firm orders from 44 options that they hold on the 777 type."

I would say there is quite a bit of doubt. Options usually cover both airframe and engine. Therefore, SQ's current 777 options (24 now, by my count), also cover 48 Trent 800s. Therefore, an order for the 777-300ER will be a 'from scratch' order. This line of thought holds true if we can believe the published article, in which it states 18 firm and 13 optioned aircraft.

"It is worth noting that they have still to take delivery of 6 each 777-200; -200ER and -300."

Again, this is not correct. SQ currently has outstanding orders for 2 -200ERs and 4 -300s. That's it (besides options).


"The 7E7-9 and A332 will however be closely sized."

The 7E7-9 will actually be slightly larger, basically bridging the gap between the A330-200 and -300.


"I think its up to them whether or not to exercise them."

The only new 747-400 order you will ever see from SQ now will be for Freighters.


"UA has 30+ B 747-400s options what I heard"

Last I heard, all UA options (for all aircraft) had been cancelled.

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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:42 pm

Solnabo: "IMO this is the swansong for the entire SQ 747 fleet"

ConcordeBoy: "here's hoping!"  Big thumbs up

A rare moment indeed when Michael and Fred see eye to eye. Can we stand the shock?  Laugh out loud

As Hamlet69 relates, 747-400s will be phased out of passenger use at SIA but the freighters should continue for many years, yet. Don't rule out Singapore ordering the 747-Advanced in some numbers if it launches; it could complement theit A388s on lower capacity routes. The 747 isn't dead yet, guys, even though it's on life support unless the Advanced launches. Still too early to be throwing dirt on its grave, just yet.  Big grin
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:26 pm

Not sure about UA's options. Does it make any difference? I mean keeping an option or cancelling it.

By the end of the decade? Maybe a bit too early to say that. I would say most of them will stay for sometime. But eventually yes.

But we definitely won't see any new B 747-400 pax order from SQ. Maybe not from any other airlines even!

If Boeing builds the B 747 Advanced, I believe SQ will place a large order (Maybe 25-30).
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:14 pm


SIA TO BUY BOEING 777-300ER AIRCRAFT



Singapore Airlines (SIA) has signed a letter of intent to purchase up to thirty-one (31) Boeing B777-300ER (Extended Range) aircraft.

Eighteen of the thirty-one aircraft are firm orders for delivery between 2006 to 2010, while the remaining thirteen are subject to exercise of purchase rights. At list prices, the order is worth approximately US$7.35 billion, including the cost of spares and spare engines.

General Electric GE90-115B engines will power the twin-engine aircraft.

The order reinforces SIA's standing as the biggest customer for the Boeing 777. SIA presently flies fifty-five B777s, and has another four B777s on firm order. With this latest order, the number of B777s in the SIA fleet will eventually reach seventy-seven units.

The B777-300ER, seating about 350 passengers and with a range of 7,000 nm, will be deployed on SIA's long-haul and medium-haul routes. The new order will allow SIA to achieve capacity growth of between 4 and 6% a year. At the same time, it will maintain SIA's fleet as one of the industry's youngest, as the B747-400 is progressively retired.

The B777-300ER was chosen for its higher operating efficiency, commonality with existing fleet, and cabin spaciousness.

SIA Chief Executive Officer, Mr Chew Choon Seng, said the evaluation process was comprehensive, and the competition between Boeing and Airbus for the order was very keen.

"With its use of new generation avionics and materials, and its higher operating efficiency, the B777-300ER will deliver lower operating costs. It should integrate well with our existing fleet, which already includes fifty-five aircraft from the B777 family. Our choice recognises the popular appeal among travellers of the B777 aircraft," Mr Chew said.

As with previous orders, SIA expects to finance the purchase largely from internally generated cash flow, but if attractive, the Airline will consider other options like leasing or debt financing.

SIA had also sought proposals from manufacturers for suitable aircraft to operate on its regional routes. The manufacturers offered the Airbus A330-200 and the new Boeing 7E7 for evaluation. SIA has decided not to place any order for the regional aircraft because the proposals submitted did not meet SIA's financial criteria. The airline will continue to use the B777-200 to serve the regional routes.

SIA currently operates 89 wide-bodied aircraft comprising 29 B747s, 55 B777s and five A340-500s, with firm orders for an additional four B777s and 10 A380s. SIA will be the launch customer for the A380 in 2006.

The average age of the passenger fleet is just five years.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:24 pm

No 7E7 either according to SIA. From Bloomberg.

By Beth Jinks
Aug. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Singapore Airlines Ltd., Asia's
fourth-largest carrier, said it has decided against buying Boeing
Co.'s new 7E7 passenger plane because it doesn't suit the
airline's needs.
``SIA has decided not to place any order for the regional
aircraft because the proposals submitted did not meet SIA's
financial criteria,'' the airline said in a statement to the
Singapore stock exchange.

Source Bloomberg and Singapore Stock Exchange and SIA
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:36 am

Nothing for the B 777-200LR.......

18 B 777-300ERs only. This is to replace the oldest B 747-400s. Guess there will be more orders coming one day. Nothing official from Singapore Airlines yet. Guess they will come up with something tomorrow.

If there isn't any further sale of the B 747-400, there will be 20-22 left after everything is completed, like the sale of 8 B 747-400s to KA and CX.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:38 am

If there isn't any further sale of the B 747-400, there will be 20-22 left after everything is completed, like the sale of 8 B 747-400s to KA and CX.

Quite a few other airlines still have the 744 on order, and many still hold options.

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RE: Singapore Airlines Opts 773ER,delay 7E7 Decision

Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:40 am

No 1 is probably JAL. No 2 ANA. What about no 3? I mean the 3rd largest carrier in Asia.

As mentioned in the article, SIA is the 4th largest carrier in Asia.