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B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:16 pm

Can anyone explane to me what are these differences in the exact
same aircraft types?
e.g. for airbus: A330-223, 330-243, 330-201 etc.
for boeing: 777-223, 777-21H, 777-212, 777-228 etc

This might be a stupid question, but I'd like to think I'm here to learn!!!
 
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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:24 pm


Hi!

The numbers in the Airbus hare related with the type of engines and maybe other particular issues, in the Boeing the numbers are a way to classify their clients, for example:

21 used to be for PAN AM
31 used to be for TWA
82 is for TAP
41 is for VARIG

So this means that for example VARIG buys a brand new 777-300ER it will be a 777-341ER, got it?
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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:25 pm

I thought it had something to do with the Engine designation?

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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:31 pm

I have always wondered but never thought much about it, but thanks for clearing it up for me.
 
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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:38 pm

Try this link. It lists all the boeing customer number

http://www.plane-spotter.com/Aircraft/Boeing/Customer_numbers.htm#N

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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:39 pm


Hi.

In the Airbus I think it is, for example TAP they have their A319/320/321 with CFM engines so the models are A319-111, A320-214 and A321-211. If you see for example BA they have IAE engines and their models are A319-131, A320-232 and A321-231.
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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:31 pm

Thank You Derek! Good Luck with the LA Dodgers
 
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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:35 pm

thanks yokohama1970.

I dont know why my link didnt work

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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Thu Aug 26, 2004 3:16 am

I thought it had something to do with the Engine designation?

With Airbuses it [partially] does.... it doesn't with Boeings.


For example, G-VIIO and G-YMMA are both 777-223ERs, even though the former is GE90-powered and the latter uses Trent800s.

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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Thu Aug 26, 2004 7:17 pm

For example, G-VIIO and G-YMMA are both 777-223ERs, even though the former is GE90-powered and the latter uses Trent800s.

Think you will find they are both 777-236ERs!  Smile
 
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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Thu Aug 26, 2004 7:34 pm

For Airbus: the three numbers, in e.g. the -211 in A320-211 have the following meaning:

-first number is the sub-model of the aircraft: in the above example an A320-200
-second number is the engine manufacturer: 0 is GE, 1 is CFM, 2 is P&W, 3 is IAE, 4 is RR. I believe 5 will be the Engine Alliance (A380)
-third number indicates the versions of the model, after minor technical changes, or newer engine versions, higher MTOW, etc...
 
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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Thu Aug 26, 2004 8:36 pm

SAS former B763 "Boeingnumber" is 83 IIRC (SK 767-383ER for example)...

Correct me if I´m wrong Big grin

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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:19 pm

Boeing and Airbus Codes can be found here, as well as other useful stuff:

http://www.rosboch.net/aviation#Codes (Shameless self promotion.  Big grin)

Solnabo, you are correct. SAS customer number at Boeing is 83.
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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:48 pm

So does that mean that the number changes when a Boeing Aircraft is sold to another airline? Or will it always keep the client-number of the first customer?
 
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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:56 pm

So does that mean that the number changes when a Boeing Aircraft is sold to another airline? Or will it always keep the client-number of the first customer?

The plane will keep the client number of the first customer.

It can also be more complicated. The number designates to which airline's specs the plane was built. So if airline A ordered it but for some reason the aircraft, while being produced, gets taken up by airline B (merger, decision on part of A to not purchase the planes) the version number may be that of airline A even though airline B takes delivery from Boeing.

Hope that was confusing enough  Big grin
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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:46 am

Think you will find they are both 777-236ERs!

Yeah that, my bad Big grin
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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:48 pm

Thanks guys for all your explanations !
But I have one question left regarding Airbus codification on A320.
Indeed, as Scorpio has explained, the first number is the sub-model of the aircraft; but what is the difference between A320-100 and A320-200 models ?
For the other Airbus family (e.g A330-A340), main difference between -200/300/500/600 concerns the capacity and therefore also the length of the aircraft. But what about the A320 family as the length are declining in 318/319/320/321 ?
 
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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:06 pm

Air NZs Boeing customer number is 19. When the new B777 and B7E7s arrive then it will be B777-219ER and B7E7-819.
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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:05 pm

and B7E7-819.

Maybe not.

There's a general sentiment that Boeing will abandon the custom-model system (and therefore, the customer numbering system) with the 7E7.
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RE: B777-223 , 212 , What's The Difference?

Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:50 am

A320-100 doesn't have winglets, -200 does...

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