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Air Jamaica Adds More North American Cities...

Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:55 am

Air Jamaica continues to add more North American cities, by putting SFO and YVR on its network, hopefully 1st quarter 2005. They are acquiring 2 A319's for these routes. They are also getting an additional A340 to supplement the three they already have on routes like LHR, MAN and KIN.

I think it would be great to see JM colors on an A319. I am curious to see what their configuration would be like to. Typically the A319 is configured F12 Y108. The A320 is usually configured F16 Y126, but JM's planes are configured F12 Y138.

Apparently because of the range the A319's were better suited for the routes than the A320 they currently have. A small but very capable airliner, the A319 is.

There isn't any link online with this information to my knowledge. I work for a handling company and we handle JM in GND, and a JM exec passed this information onto us. If this information hasn't been released yet, I assume it will be soon..
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Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:56 am

Air Jamaica to YVR?

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Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:01 am

Thats if Transport doesnt ban them from Canada yet again...Another find by customs like the one they had a few weeks ago should be enough to get them booted...
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Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:04 am

HAHA to Clickhappy, that was funny.  Smile

It would be a shame to get banned from Canada again.. They just got approval to fly into the country at least into YYZ. Poor them.. LOL

As I said, I wish I had a link to post, but this was passed on by word of mouth from a JM guy this morning at a training session we had. SO I am just telling you as heard it.

Remeber I told you guys a C3 exec told me about the Canada 3000 thing? Same situation here..  Smile IS C3 still coming out though?
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Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:06 am

YVR-Jamaica. The route can be called the Ganja/Weed Run.
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Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:06 am

Air Jamaica into Vancouver would be feasible. There is a market into Jamaica from Vancouver but I also think Jamaica wants to make it easier for Asians to travel to Jamaica and Vancouver works as a gateway. There was talk of Cuban into Vancouver few years back,but not sure what has happened with that.
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Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:09 am

An associate who does some work for JM told me they might work on code shares with AC to Asia, or at least ticketing arrangements--probably through YYZ though.
 
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Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:25 am

Any links to an actual source?

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Thu Aug 26, 2004 8:53 am

JM was actually going to start SFO service in 96/97. I remember seeing TV Commercials and print adds detailing the service. Then, nothing happened. I think they added LAX service around that time.
 
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Thu Aug 26, 2004 8:55 am

How can they fly an A319 to SFO and YVR? Thats gotta be beyond the limits!
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Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:00 am

How can they fly an A319 to SFO and YVR? Thats gotta be beyond the limits!

The A319 is designed to fly long, thin routes. Air Canada has used them on very long routes from Vancouver to DC, Boston, Miami, and Cancun.
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Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:28 am

why was Air Jamaica banned from Canada?
 
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Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:38 am

SFO and YVR?

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Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:23 pm

Speaking of JM, does anyone know whats up with the A340 "Spirit of New York". Lately it seems to be just that, as the aircraft hasnt left JFK in days.

 
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Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:29 pm

The Airbus website states the A319 has a range of 3700 nm. YVR to MBJ is listed as 3279 statute miles, so it looks as though the A319 is up to the task range-wise.
 
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Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:55 pm

A 4th A340? That's gotta be for YYZ or possibly bump on the LAX run.... A few months ago, they almost went to 2 daily trips on 3 days of the week.

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Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:30 am

This is great. first, NZ, comes, than TG is supposedly showing up, EK supposedly starting service, and now JM!!! This is great. A great splash of color to SFO. 2005 is looking good for SFO.

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Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:11 am

And Vietnam Airlines ... Copa! You lucky SOBs!


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Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:14 am

BN747-Yeah, man, I forgot about that one. That is definitely a beauty coming in. All these new additions @ SFO are really exciting. Now...maybe JM will extend the SFO flight up here to ACV.....

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Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:40 am



Where is the A340 coming from??
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Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:21 am

This is good news for JM. And with the Category 1 status at Jamaica, the national airline can easily expand. Now if only the situation could change with the caribbean island in the south so the green airline could do some North American expansions (you guys know what I mean...).  Wink/being sarcastic


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Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:57 am

I really wish Bwee could expand just the same. They are such a good airline, and they have tried so hard to succeed. But there is no Trinidadian or Bajan Butch Stewart to go bully any governments for bwee.
 
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Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:03 pm

I think JM has some good things going for it.

-They belong to a country that has a pretty healthy tourism industry.
-They fly to islands who are also known for tourism.
-They have a adventurous CEO, who owns a popular hotel chain, and the two work hand in hand.
-They have very strong marketing, and are building for themselves a reputation in North America and the Caribbean alike.

So despite the fact that they are said to be loosing more money that BWIA, they will continue to fly, though at Jamaican's taxpayers expense. They government of Jamaica would not let the airline disappear so easily because it contributes to carrying a significant amount of tourists to and from Jamaica each year. JM Is a private airline therefore, there accounts are not the most available thing. (this is just from my understanding.)

BW on the other hand, is the national airline of an island that is not very big on tourists. So the typical tourists destination/cities may not be for BW at this stage. Business routes may be extremely profitable. BW Does well on most of their routes. However they are not as popular to non West Indians as Air Jamaica, because they do not advertise as aggressively. Added to that, they are publicly traded so their accounts is for all to see, and is the topic of conversation for all. So their financial troubles are a bit overrated.

With POS in CAT2 status, it hinders BW from expanding to more North American cities.

They are however doing much better financially, and their current situation is looking quite remediable. CAT1 would give them the world, if they want it.

This is my understanding of the two airlines current status.
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Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:19 pm

Wish they would come to MSP........LOL. I'll still make the trip to ORD and fly them to MBJ as I have been doing for years.

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Fri Aug 27, 2004 2:26 pm

Actually Air Jam. sends the A321 to ORD. At least they did last winter when i was fueling out there. I moved about an hour and a half away so i dont know anymore since that flight came in so late anyways.
 
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Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:44 pm

This is great news! A friend of mine was just commenting the other day how it was odd that AC has a seasonal flight from YYC to Jamaica, but nothing out of YVR. I think it's about time that YVR had a connection to the Caribbean. This route will work for the O&D traffic, especially tourism, and the connections on to Asia from YVR.

Does anybody know if this route will be from Kingston or Montego Bay?
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Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:03 pm

Bobs89...............it's always been A320 for me from ORD. I don't doubt you one minute. Was that a daily A321 or just in winter?

Anyone one know where the MD's flew before JM dumped them?

I do have slides from MBJ of them...........the only place i ever seen 'em.
 
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Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:10 pm

"BW on the other hand, is the national airline of an island that is not very big on tourists."

However, I have to believe that Trinidad certainly has a lot of up side tourism potential that just hasn't been fully realized yet.

As far as YVR to the Caribbean, I would think that if JM is even THINKING about that route that AC would quickly move and try to beat them to the punch and eventually start their own service.
 
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Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:33 pm

I usually check Flytecomm for ORD everyday...........they've been showing A320's MBJ/ORD/MBJ as long as I can remember. Wish I could catch one of those (A321) at ORD!

Too bad that flight is at night.....have seen some daylight pics at ORD of JM.
Haven't seen that in quite some time.

Bob, those flights must have been full too? Sales are good to the island from these cold parts every winter!!!! Enough tickets to warrant the added capy of a 321.

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Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:13 am


Kim777fan

"As far as YVR to the Caribbean, I would think that if JM is even THINKING about that route that AC would quickly move and try to beat them to the punch and eventually start their own service."

I have to agree except Air Canada will lobby Transport Canada do keep JM out and not eventually start service to Jamaica. Air Canada and Transport Canada work hard to impede tourism and trade form airports other than YYZ and YUL
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:54 am

"Air Canada and Transport Canada work hard to impede tourism and trade form airports other than YYZ and YUL "

-What leads you to this hypothesis?

 
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:32 am

When JM was under ban from flying to YYZ, AC operated their flight YYZ/KIN codeshared with JM. JM now has their privelidges restored, but this agreement still stands. It appears therefore that AC and JM has a close working relationship. So AC trying to stop JM from YVR service does not seem very likely at all
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:16 am

FLYYUL

My hypothesis is based on
- 90 % of all bilateral agreements favour Montreal and over 84% favour Toronto (cta-otc.gc.ca see agreements)
-carriers which have applied to serve cities which are not covered under a bilateral agreement such as Calgary and Vancouver have been denied or restricted through heavy lobbying on Air Canada's part. As an example Martinair into Calgary and Edmonton. Look through the CTA web site ( cta-otc.gc.ca) and you will see many.
-The airlines may apply for entry and request for an amendment to the bilateral, but Air Canada has a say in this process and usually works out AC's favour.
-Canadian government has no political will to change the Canadian Transportation Act despite heavy lobbying from the airport authorities of Vancouver and Calgary.

The airport authtority of Vancouver has expressed frustration of the CTA on different occasions finding it difficult to market YVR when the there is no will by the fed to change the draconian CTA. Carriers such as Singapore Airlines and Korean have also expressed there frustration at the restrictions placed on them and at Air Canada for the same reason.
Vancouver or Calgary will never reach its potential as long as the government does not open up these cities to foreign carriers and that wont happen soon unless the act effects Toronto or Montreal in a negative way.


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RE: Air Jamaica Adds More North American Cities...

Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:17 am

Why can't JM do a Sat-Sun flight to RDU? a once daily.. I think that would work? Maybe????
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RE: Air Jamaica Adds More North American Cities...

Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:38 am

I have a couple questions:

1. Why ws JM banned from Canada? All these years I had the impression they chose to code share with AC on the YYZ route, not that they were banned from Canada.

2. Can someone explain the nature of these bilateral agreements.
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:38 am

I do not know if we will see BWIA expand this sort of way unless the airline is able to transform it self into the AirTran of the Caribbean. The government plans to make back the money it invests in BWIA, that is why they have stated they will sell their majority shares once the airline is on its feet again.

Trinidad is not a Tourist market but more business one as Captaink said. This market will grow as trinidad has the strongest economy in the eastern Caribbean. However the Trinidad government has committed itself to increase the role that Tourism plays in Trinidad but more so Tobago and therefore the Tourist market may most likely grow.
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:04 pm

Regarding the MD80s they were originally used on the JFK-BGI route. They were then deployed to Chicago, Nassau, Havana, Newark and Atlanta.



 
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RE: Air Jamaica Adds More North American Cities...

Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:19 pm

I wonder if they ever will start MBJ-IAD service? They announced the service right before 9/11 and then axed it.
 
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RE: Air Jamaica Adds More North American Cities...

Sun Aug 29, 2004 1:21 am

That's great for JM, good luck to them with their expansion. I can't go without sayin' though, I still love my BWIA.

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