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TSA Will Take No-fly Lists From Airlines

Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:41 am

"The U.S. government will soon take over the running of the controversial no-fly list from airlines.
The system has been plagued by controversy because of the number of so-called "false positives" - people with the same or similar names to those on the list. Most recently, two lawmakers said they had been repeatedly challenged by airline staff.
Transportation Security Administration chief Adm. David Stone said his agency would roll out a program to "bring the 'no-fly'list under the government umbrella; "So that we don't have a list of no-fly and selectees (distributed) worldwide (to) airlines."

Why not put that list on Internet? (Sarcastic)
What catergizes a person to be put on a no-fly list? (Despite THE OBVIOUS)
Is this invasion of Privicy? What controls the list from being exposed to the public or the wrong people in company? Should the passenger have the right to be told why he/she is on the no fly list?
Effecting the way an airline trests its customers?
What is your opinion?


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RE: TSA Will Take No-fly Lists From Airlines

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:03 am

Thank God. The new no fly list is currently over 530 pages long, and a new one comes out twice a week. It will be nice not having to deal with that anymore. My only concern is that the TSA cant read bag tags, so how will the effectively run the no-fly list?
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RE: TSA Will Take No-fly Lists From Airlines

Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:35 pm

Why not put that list on Internet? (Sarcastic)

Id have to agree with that. Put it up on the internet. I bet you money that some advocate group would sue the gov't to make it public under the Freedom of Information Act and it would not apply to the Patroit Act. Just wait and you'll see it happen....

What catergizes a person to be put on a no-fly list? (Despite THE OBVIOUS)

Thats what I want to know. How do you really decide who is allowed to fly and who is not. What are the 'qualifications' in order for someone to be put on the list?? (not that Im interested in being on that list..just want to know how the TSA would decide how it would be done, etc..)

Is this invasion of Privicy?

Not really, its public information. Nothing personal is being given out, just your full legal name and place of birth probably. I doubt social security numbers would be on it.

Should the passenger have the right to be told why he/she is on the no fly list?

YES! Like the maranda laws here in the U.S., you have the right to know why you are being arrested. Same thing should apply to knowing why you cant fly, etc...

Im pretty sure that B6 will be the ones not giving out any pax info to anyone including the US government after that mishap they had a few years back.....
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RE: TSA Will Take No-fly Lists From Airlines

Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:47 pm

Well at 530 pages, I am surprised that copies haven't been pirated to the internet.

So now there will be even less oversight of those boobs at TSA.
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RE: TSA Will Take No-fly Lists From Airlines

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:22 pm

What catergizes a person to be put on a no-fly list? (Despite THE OBVIOUS)

Well, that is a good question. But what exaclty categorizes them to be on the selectee list? Every time my wife and I fly, she gets selected for additional searches at the time of check in (SSSSS on her boarding pass), while I never get bothered. Mind that she is a US citizen and I am not.

Is this invasion of Privicy?

Absolutely. I do not think that any such information should be published. Even the publication of "sex offenders" lists in some communities violates privacy in my opinion.
But what REALLY is a violation is the way you are screened and possibly put on such a list. They obtain information from sources that you never authorized to pass on such data by forcing them to ignore your rights. Thi sincludes personal data, credit history, medical records (Yes, it's true) and so on. Also, the TSA has been suspected of in turn handing off information to third parties.

What controls the list from being exposed to the public or the wrong people in company?


Should the passenger have the right to be told why he/she is on the no fly list?

Absolutely. Anything else is a violation of good conduct, possibly even human rights. In fact, I would think that the maranda law should be applied analogeously.
 
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RE: TSA Will Take No-fly Lists From Airlines

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:31 pm

That was one of the things that actually ticked me off about Ted Kennedy, he was able to use his connections to get off the list.

Something the rest of us can't do.

Also the timing to the Kennedy incident makes me wonder if this announcement isn't related.
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RE: TSA Will Take No-fly Lists From Airlines

Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:47 pm

The No Fly List does make you think.I'm on it and I'm also a registered flyer (I think that's what its called ) and an pilot for a major airline.It's pain but I do have a funny story or two that goes with it.
 
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RE: TSA Will Take No-fly Lists From Airlines

Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:09 pm

Thank you for your veiws and Comments ~
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