MANmatt
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Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:03 am

Hey guys, I've been thinking the last couple of days whether or not it is possible to go around the world flying only narrowbody aircraft? I know this might not be the most ideal conditions to fly in but I was just thinking whilst working at MAN today. Would it be possible to fly from say, the UK over to Asia, down to Australia, New Zealand, stop off in the pacific and then to America and back to the UK?

Any ideas?

MANmatt
 
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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:06 am

It's possible, though it'd take some meticulous planning.



On a not-so-helpful-but-informative note; REX Travel (et al) used to charter Concordes for RTW service.
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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:07 am

I do think it's possible. The biggest problems are the Atlantic and Pacific flights, but with CO operating the 757, (Icelandair as well) there is I think also an airline that flies the 737 from island to island in the pacific. After HNL you can take a 757 again to the mainland.

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MANmatt
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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:11 am

Dont SU fly from LHR to NRT via SVO on a 319 (used to be on 734)? I just can't think of how to get down to Oz after that!

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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:11 am

Hmmm I might have thought of a way

from Cairns Australia, take Continental Micronesia thru its hub in Guam(738) and then the CO Island hopper to HNL (also 738/5-6 stops) then ATA from HNL to the mainland (757)....

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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:21 am

It is not only possible, it happens.


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Admittedly, they are special charters which fly in luxury configuration and have probably 1/3 of the seats they normally would. With the lower payload, the longer over-water flights probably cause less of a headache.

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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:38 am

Hi, sorry it is only in german, BUT a german travel-agency will start in september B727-200 around-the world-flights!!

http://www2.onreisen.t-online.de/dyn/c/22/35/55/2235550.html

inclusive Vienna, Cayenne, Santiago de Chile, Easter Islands, Tahiti, Cook-Islands, Samoa, Tonga, Papua-Neuguinea, East-timor, Manila, Hanoi and Udaipur!

PRICE: 33.500US $

But, please check out the B727, it is realy worth any penny!!!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!

http://www.dbairltd.com/
 
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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:15 am

Didn't this company have a B707?
 
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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:28 am

Absolutely possible. If you start in the U.S.: 757 to HNL, AirMike island hopping (this would be a kick I think) over to either HKG or Tokyo or the like, then hop aboard one of several Asian narrows over to the Middle East (several stops of course at cities you can't pronounce, let alone knew that they existed, and maybe an airline change or two), then a European carrier to the edge of the Atlantic, and finish up with American or Continental or Icelandair or the like, and there you are. Phew!

It would have been much easier though if only you could've caught a TWA 707 the whole way. That would've been spectacular. . .

Sure you don't just want to hop on a jumbo? Big grin
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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:29 am

I would expect a lot of layovers.  Big grin

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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:44 am

One possible routing --

Mon 01/03/2005 AKL MEL NZ125 A320 16:00 18:00
Mon 01/03/2005 MEL PER QF653 B734 21:25 22:30
Tue 01/04/2005 PER DPS GA727 B734 08:00 11:45
Tue 01/04/2005 DPS GUM CO901 B738 22:50 06:10
Sun 01/09/2005 GUM PNI CO958 B738 19:40 00:30
Mon 01/10/2005 PNI HNL CO956 B738 13:45 02:35
Mon 01/10/2005 HNL LAX TZ754 B752 13:20 20:33
Mon 01/10/2005 LAX EWR CO1803 B752 21:55 05:43
Tue 01/11/2005 EWR BHX CO26 B752 20:20 08:00
Tue 01/11/2005 BHX VIE BA4163 ER145 11:40 15:05
Wed 01/12/2005 VIE DXB LT648 A320 18:30 01:50
Fri 01/14/2005 DXB BKK 9R818 B752 01:30 12:55
Sun 01/16/2005 BKK BWN TG427 B732 09:50 13:40
Sun 01/16/2005 BWN DRW BI177 A319 20:50 01:55
Mon 01/17/2005 DRW CNS QF801 B733 06:00 08:55
Mon 01/17/2005 CNS AKL NZ172 A320 11:50 19:30


I have way too much time in my hand!!!  Laugh out loud

Best,

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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:00 am

SU flies a 777 and/or the IL-96 to NRT, not an A319 or 734.... I suggest flying internally in Japan, then to Novosibirsk or Vladivostok, from there to Moscow, etc, etc., etc..
 
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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:20 am

I know that there is an airline that codeshares with another airline using an A320 for flights from the US to Europe (sorry can't think of the cities right now). I read it somewhere in another post just a couple of weeks ago.

My point is that... if that routing is possible, then an around the world also certainly is. Provided of course, intermittent stops are made.
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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:39 am

The airline that codeshares with another airline for A319s is Lufthansa, using Privatair A319CJs and a Boeing 737-700BBJ for flights between EWR-MUC/DUS and ORD-DUS.

I wouldn't object to flying around the world on a narrowbody...it would be more flights to fly on, more airports to spot at, etc...that would be fun.

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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:02 am

Thank you DeltAirlines.

Was actually just researching it just a minute ago.
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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 2:28 pm

PlanemannyC

An eaiser routing AKL-HNL would be:
Sun AKL dp 1255 NAN ar 1600 B738
Sun NAN dp 2230 HNL ar 0830(Sun) B738
Then dp HNL as per your orginal post

Gemuser
DC23468910;B72172273373G73873H74374475275376377L77W;A319 320321332333343;BAe146;C402;DHC6;F27;L188;MD80MD85
 
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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:23 pm

Around the world in a 727?????  Nuts That's gotta rank right up there with do-it-yourself tooth extraction on my priority list.

Can someone here find an around-the-world DC9 service?
 
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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:10 pm

Concorde was regularly chartered by various T.O (Kuoni, Intrav, American Express Travel, TMR etc...) to operate Round-World tour.

With Air France, The first one was from Nov.15th to Dec.2nd 1986 (F-BVFF) :

CDG-JFK-OAK-HNL-PPT-SYD-JKT-BKK-CMB-BAH-CDG.


Other interesting routings :

CDG-LHR-CAI-DEL-SIN-DPS-SYD-NDI-HNL-LAS-NAS-JFK-LHR-CDG (F-BVFF - Feb.20 to Mar.8 1987)

CDG-DKR-IGU-SCL-LIM-ACA-HNL-PPT-NAN-GUM-CNX-BKK-MAA-SAH-LXR-CAI-CDG (F-BTSC - Nov.20th to Dec.10 1988)


CDG-JFK-MSY-IAH-OAK-HNL-GUM-HKG-BKK-DEL-MCT-CAI-CDG (F-BTSD - Oct.8th to Oct.25th 1989 )

CDG-BAH-MCT-DEL-BKK-DPS-SYD-AKL-PT-IPC-IGU-GIG-DKR-CDG (F-BVFF - Jan.25th to Feb.15th 1997 )


About 35 of these fabulous RWT were operated by AF's Concorde from 1986 until March 2000.
Fares would vary from $30000 to $65000 per PAX. All included.


All these RWT could be made with an A319CJ or A319LR without problems...it would only take the double of time...  Sad

Concorde range : 6500 km (4040 mi)
A319LR range : 6850 km (4255 mi)



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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 6:33 pm

How about one starting from MAN for you, but a dash up the M6 on the return:

TK 1996 Y 14SEP MANIST HS1 1325 1920 - 738
TK 1162 Y 15SEP ISTDXB HS1 2305 #0415 - 738
BI 118 Y 16SEP DXBCCU HS1 1625 2220 - 757
BI 118 Y 19SEP CCUSIN HS1 2320 #0555 - 320
BI 422 Y 21SEP SINBWN HS1 1340 1545 - 319
BI 177 Y 22SEP BWNDRW HS1 1850 2355 - 319
QF 817 Y 24SEP DRWMEL HS1 0055 0535 - 734
NZ 122 Y 25SEP MELAKL HS1 0930 1500 - 320
FJ 410 Y 26SEP AKLNAN HS1 1255 1600 - 73H?
FJ 820 Y 01OCT NANHNL HS1 2300 0730 - 73H?
UA 56 Y 02OCT HNLLAX HS1 2200 #0615 - 757
CO 16 Y 03OCT LAXEWR HS1 1100 1911 - 738
CO 26 Y 03OCT EWRBHX HS1 2015 #0800 - 752
 
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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:41 pm

Gemuser,

You are right -- far less convoluted. Thanks!

Lapper,

Are there any flights between BHX and MAN?

Best,

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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:50 pm

How about one starting from MAN for you, but a dash up the M6 on the return:

You can actually by pass Auckland and go via DRW-BNE-NAN,

DJ 442 DRW-BNE THEN FJ 920 BNE-NAN;

I wonder how much a Round the world itinerary would price out using a weird variety of airlines.

Has anyone attempted this yet. I got 4 weeks of leave available. Maybe I should be the first if it hasn't been attempted.

You would hate to turn up for a flight and find they switched the aircraft on you. DJ you would be fairly safe bet.



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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:34 pm

BNE,

Much as I'm sure MANmatt would love to visit your wonderful city, he did say that he would like to visit NZ. Sorry pal!

Planemannyc, 'fraid not, the flown mileage is only 67 miles!

You could add this on though:
T3 4382 B 04OCT BHXIOM HS1 0840 0940 - J41
BA 4403 B 04OCT IOMMAN HS1 1000 1045 - DH8

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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:22 am

Wouldn't it be gutting if you booked a trip like this to fly on single aisled aircraft and then maybe an airline replaces an aircraft for widebody due to an equipment change at the last minute!

For Example. CO operated a 764 on the LAX to EWR instead of the 752.  Crying
 
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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:54 am

hey guys,

Thanks for the replies so far, have been interesting to read some of the different ways off getting around the world on narrowbodies. I remember the Air 2000 aircraft that did it, i was discussing it with some colleagues at work.

Afay1
Sorry, i just thought SU use to fly 734s from NRT because its said on a LHR movements site that a 734 came from NRT, can't remember the flight#.

This would certainly be an interesting journey. It kind of goes against my wish to travel on a 747 or any other widebody, as all i have sampled so far is 737s, A320s and 757s! But thats what u get for travelling on ITs and LCCs all the time!

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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:27 am

Debonair

I was not aware of any European B727 operators.

Do you know which aircraft they are planning to use.
 
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RE: Around The World On Narrowbodies?

Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:47 am

I remember the Air 2000 aircraft that did it

Matt, they're still going on! 5 trips were operated last winter. There are 9 planned for this winter using 2 aircraft at a time! Most of them do not go all the way around the world, but tend to focus on a particular region or theme. The VIP 757 prgramme has been offered every winter since 1994 by Air 2000/First Choice Airways.

Most trips are operated on behalf of TCS Expeditions, but a few are operated for other operators, corporate clients or private individuals.

There is no longer a different livery for the special config aircraft - but they often bear the charterers titles - so if you see an FCA 757 somewhere like Cambodia - that's the reason...

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