flybyguy
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LCC's To Latin America And Other Caribbean Spots

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:21 am

My newest question for the community is why when low cost carriers say they are going international, its always to Puerto Rico or the Dominican Republic. These places are already fairly cheap to fly to because of the vast variety of airlines that fly there.

However, other islands in the Caribbean and destinations throughout Latin America don't have the fortune of having affordable airtravel... (ie. AA and their stranglehold on the region). Many have very high seasonal loads and reasonable loads thereafter.

I applaud Jetblue and Song for first serving the Bahamas (In my opinion its was about time)

Isn't it time for LCC's to think past Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic?

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Caymanair
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RE: LCC's To Latin America And Other Caribbean Spots

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:44 am

In many caribbean countries, they really arent welcome. Cayman for instance, wants to attract higher income tourists- ie. those who cringe when thinking about flying a LCC. Puerto Rico isnt really international either, its part of the US.
 
Southamerica
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RE: LCC's To Latin America And Other Caribbean Spots

Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:29 am


As Caymanair said, many Latin countries wouldn't receive so kindly a LCC that came thundering down all of a sudden. In most of these nations, the average passenger is, and has been always tied to the thought that air travel is an all-luxury experience, and that you'll always receive full onboard attention on short segments; clearly not half as flexible as the modern european or american traveller.

Therefore, there have been popping out carriers which look like legacy airlines, but provide a LCC-type service, and that at the same time are tacitly assuming the role of "tradition-brakers". For example, in my country, we have West Caribbean Airways, airline which, without being fully adapted to the low-cost mood, has a LCC performance and behaviour most of the time.

Anyway, if US based-LCC were to expand internationally, Costa Rica and Mexico would prolly be the countries were they'd be seen, IMO.



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luisde8cd
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RE: LCC's To Latin America And Other Caribbean Spots

Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:11 am

Wasnt spirit airlines interested in flying to Venezuela and Colombia? I think I read something about it in this forum
 
Caymanair
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RE: LCC's To Latin America And Other Caribbean Spots

Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:01 pm

Southamerica is right. If any start the move to the west indies or latin america, latin america would be seeing all the new service. west indians will always prefer service by their own people, who they trust more, and airlines and air service that they have a say in. I dont like flying when i dont know the pilot or any of the flight attendant, and many West Indians will and have refused to fly in situations like that. That is one of the reasons why you see that National Airlines in the caribbean (Cayman Airways, Bahamasair, Air Jamaica, DCA, BWIA) carry almost 100% of the locals.
 
Southamerica
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RE: LCC's To Latin America And Other Caribbean Spots

Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:09 pm

Luisde8cd,


Wasnt spirit airlines interested in flying to Venezuela and Colombia?

I haven't heard anything yet, but it would definitely benefit Venezuela over Colombia. Venezuela would let a new foreign carrier enter much more easy than Colombia, country towards which Spirit would have to remain only interested...


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AEROFAN
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RE: LCC's To Latin America And Other Caribbean Spots

Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:37 pm

Oh really? price the ticket at half of the value of the full service carrier and you will see how many locals switch to the LCC. Everyone loves a bargain and people in the Caribbean are no different
 
ramerinianair
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RE: LCC's To Latin America And Other Caribbean Spots

Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:09 pm

It's great to hear that LCCs aren't wanted in many Caribbean destinations! These routes are some of the only vacation destinations that the majors make money on. They make minimal money if any at all to many destinations due to the type of passengers they are servicing. The passengers that are willing to pay premiums to fly to places like GCM are the people who offset the losses from places like CUN and SJU. B6 and NK entering these markets only push fares, service and yield down. Now on a 5 1/2 hour flight to Mexico, you only get a snack on CO. A similar flight to LAX gets a full meal service because of yield. CO used to serve PVR with full meal service until HP and F9 started service. LCC only service the high yield routes that are guaranteed to make money. They don't serve the local and convenient airports like the majors. For the majors to continue to do us favors and serve smaller airports that are most times more convenient, they NEED to make money on their cash cow routes which LCC are invading. LCC are uncouth and don't care about the market when they splash $39 fares to FL from NY. They lower services, quality, and standards in the market. More directly answering your question, no it is not time for LCCs to move into these markets. Airlines like AA need the high yield markets and cash cows.
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luisde8cd
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RE: LCC's To Latin America And Other Caribbean Spots

Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:42 pm

no it is not time for LCCs to move into these markets

Although I respect your opinion, I DO NOT AGREE WITH IT. I would really like to have a LCC serving CCS, so that I could fly to MIA for less money. And that money that I save on airfare, I will happily spend it shopping in Miami, thus helping S.Florida economy, therefore more people will get jobs. As easy as thay my friend.
 
kim777fan
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RE: LCC's To Latin America And Other Caribbean Spots

Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:50 pm

I'm not sure I can go along with the sentiments of thast last post. Saying "lower services, quality, and standards in the market." is like saying Super 8 lowers service, quality, and standards for the whole hotel industry or that McDonalds lowers service, quality, and standards for the whole restaurant industry.

Most people are generally smart enough to know that you get what you pay for.

Flybyguy, which other Caribbean destinations did you specifically have in mind that you would like to see opened up to competing airlines?? (My particular choices would be Aruba, Barbados, and Turks & Caicos.)
 
flybyguy
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RE: LCC's To Latin America And Other Caribbean Spots

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:58 pm

To answer your question Kim777fan

I think any of those destinations you mentioned would be appropriate. In my opinion, the majors have a tendency of OVERCHARGING Caribbean goers, but when the going gets a little tough they are quick to pull out. One case in point... AA which many Eastern Caribbean Islands lost direct services from the states in exchange for American Eagle service via San Juan (and trust me, at times this can be a far worse experience than traveling on an LCC if you are used to a full service airline).

I find that if LCC's can re-establish DIRECT service to islands and Latin American countries that are loosing their frequencies or non-stop services, then it still helps because I myself as well as my family have paid on the average $700-$800 U.S. rt from JFK via AA (local carriers and other airlines were frequently more expensive than this) to go to islands like Antigua or Barbados only for AA to cut meal service, use American Eagle, or cram us all into their Less-room-throughout-coach 757s.
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