aa777jr
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Air Force II within .5 mile of small aircraft

Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:46 am

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,130382,00.html

Couldn't find any blogs on this, thought it was interesting.
Anyone know what a/c came that close to his plane?

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AGrayson514
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Air Force II within .5 mile of small aircraft

Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:55 am

I found this: http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-1151&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040827%2F1454504899.htm&sc=1151

The article cites inadequate staffing at air traffic control centers, and that an supervisor was working the radar scopes, an as a supervisor only works 8 hours a month with aircraft, he was probably under experienced.

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dbo861
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Air Force II within .5 mile of small aircraft

Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:22 am

"FAA spokeswoman Arlene Salac said that both planes were operating under visual flight rules...

Dean Iacopelli, president of the New York air traffic controller's union, blamed inadequate staffing for the problem, which he said happens about once a week in New York"

How could they blame ATC when both planes were under VFR?
 
mikeyusc
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Air Force II within .5 mile of small aircraft

Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:26 am

Simple, A2 was getting advisories, and the controller was too busy/distracted to give the pilot adequate warning.

Nothing wrong with that, as he isn't required to issue an advisory for a VFR aircraft, but with more controllers staffing more sectors, he could possibly have given an advisory sooner.

Mike


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dbo861
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Air Force II within .5 mile of small aircraft

Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:15 pm

Yeah, but VFR traffic doesn't necessarily monitor center frequency. So, even if he would have noticed the planes were getting close, there still would be no guarantee that anyone would hear it.
 
mikeyusc
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Air Force II within .5 mile of small aircraft

Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:37 pm

Yes, but in this case we are TOLD that A2 was talking to the center and receiving advisories.

Mike