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"Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:37 pm

Yesterday (Aug. 27) I was sitting in 13F of US Airways flight 998 from CLT-ORD. While still at the gate in CLT I noticed two maintenance-type trucks pull up along side the plane (737-300), and a few folks got out and were under the wing looking at something.

The guy in 13G was worried that we may have a mechanical delay of sometype. So were both peering out the window looking to see what's going on, when I see on of the workers take out a digital camera and take a few shots of something under the wing.

A few moments later the captain came on to apologize for the delay, but there was a derogratory remark found near the wing and he wanted it removed before leaving.

I've never heard of this type of thing occurring. I can't imagine this happens often? Does any US ground staff in CLT have access to that photo? BTW the flight to ORD was smooth and uneventful, but my connection on UA Express up to MKE was a different story.

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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:42 pm

Thats a new one for my book.
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:48 pm

>>>Does any US ground staff in CLT have access to that photo?

I would imagine that certain management folks do, and that you're not very likely to see any descriptions nor images of it on the internet..,

In my experience, this kind of thing doesn't happen very often. The captain was correct in having it removed before departure...
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:50 pm

...those Airbus pilots getting loose on the ramp again. Damn sharpies.

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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:55 pm

Thanks for the quick replies. I would assume the remark was written by a US ground person - I guess every organization has a few bad apples.
 
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sat Aug 28, 2004 10:00 pm

>>>I would assume the remark was written by a US ground person - I guess every organization has a few bad apples.

It could have been almost anyone with AOA access, fuelers, caterers, MX personnel, etc. or even personnel from another airline. Impossible to say for sure, of course, but it appears that -someone- doesn't play well with others...  Big grin
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sat Aug 28, 2004 10:19 pm

You find all kinds of crap written on and in airplanes. Usually on the outside, someone will draw something in the grease or dirt that is on the outside of the plane. The insides of the bin are a whole other story. At FL we have some ex TW 717's, and there is a lot of anti AA graffiti in them. One says "AA....TWA with half the pay." Others talk about the infamous "Pit Thugs" who were rampers in PIT. Many talk about a former FL employee who everyone in ATL hated. Almost every plane has your usual dick and fart jokes written in it, as well as the occasional dirty poem. I remember that on some of our ZW CRJ's the rampers wrote in the dirt on the outside of it that TLH is the greatest. Our people weren't too happy about that one.
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sat Aug 28, 2004 11:35 pm

Many talk about a former FL employee who everyone in ATL hated


I remember a lot of those back when I was working there five years back. Quite a few DC-9s had remarks about a former lead that became the ramp training instructor (He even told our class that if we saw any of the graffiti mentioning him to ignore it.), and I'm sure that the 717s have quite a few choice remarks about a few ATL leads as well.

I do remember quite a few "Mike B---- sucks d***!" and a number of "Mercado is an a$$hole!" in the bins

I admit that I once wrote in the bin in one of the DC-9s about one of our leads, mainly because he had started dating a gate agent that I had been trying to hook up with, so I was a bit pissed off at him at that time.

While working @ EV, I did my fair share of graffiti in the bins, mainly because the rats @ MLB and DAB thought they were better than ATL. They'd claim to be the hooligans and crap like that, so I'd write underneath, "The real Hooligan is @ ATL! Signed, RamperX2K (A take on the graffiti moniker of a former FL ramper, RamperX).
 
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sat Aug 28, 2004 11:37 pm

Seat 13G on a 737-300?
 
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 1:46 am

While working for Servisair i developed the callsign of "The Mad Shitter" I would tag EV, and OH bins quite often with that one. I also recall a mesage in one bin that said "AZO will trade Kandy K for three gallons of used lav juice, and a pair of torn rubber gloves." That one was a classic. In the FL bins, the rampers are quite fond of Ryan D. I wont give out the last name here, but if you work for FL, you know him.

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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:17 am

In the FL bins, the rampers are quite fond of Ryan D. I wont give out the last name here, but if you work for FL, you know him.

Ryan D. (AKA Chappy) is a major a-hole. I had a few run-ins with him while I worked there, thankfully my friends (including leads) on the ramp managed to keep the two of us from coming to blows on and off the job.


I always liked those (Insert City Code Here) will trade (Insert name here) for (insert items here). My favorites always included 2 buckets of FOD and a container of used Lav juice (they always have the used lav juice for some reason). The best ones have to include a supervisors' name as the person being offered in trade......
 
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:28 am

Well some PSA employees have painted smiles on USAir aircraft over the years kind of in a way protesting the takeover. Not really derogatory...but funny none the less!

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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:17 am

More than likely someone wrote something naughty about the company. There is allot of labor strife at U right now and plenty of graffiti to go along with it.

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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:19 am

Thats funny Flyboyaz. I don't understand who would have a problem with a smiley. My favorite is on the inside of some CRJs and ERJs. The ol' Poop-a-saurus. It was a smiley eating a hot turd.

The other was "the man".
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:22 am

The guy in 13G was worried that we may have a mechanical delay of sometype.

How could you talk to the guy sitting on the wing?

Was the window open?

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


Sorry....couldn't resist.

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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:25 am

The rampies in LCA opened a CY A310 fresh in from Germany and the kindly turkish guys working the ramp had put a huge Grey wolves logo inside the cargo door. Went over well in Cyprus...

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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:07 am

Sounds like the comments on the bathroom stall at Wal-Mart.
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:22 am

If you guys want to see some good old fashioned Bin graffiti, check out Delta's birds. I admit I have put my fair share in the MD-88s here in TYS. Some times we ramp rats need to share our thoughts with each other lol Here is an 88 bin shot that I took. You can tell there is some graffiti to the left and on the bin webbing.





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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:39 am

Anybody out there come up with some good phone numbers?
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:19 am

ORD2PHL:How could you talk to the guy sitting on the wing?

HAHAHA LMAO!!
anyway, if it were in BWI or PHL i think i know who the fingers would be pointed at.................WN??? hmmmm...
 
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:20 am

My former airline required that all graffiti be cleaned off or painted over (if it couldn't be cleaned off) as soon as it is discovered. I've had to do it several times. Some type of manager always took pictures of it before we could clean it up.

It always seems to be in the cargo bin. Hmmmmm.......  Big grin

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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:26 am

CRJmx-

When I was in CHS, working on the ramp , the DL station manager bought some dirty word remover and requested us to remove the graffitti we saw. Do you think we did it? lol yeah right. That would have taken us a year and a half on those 72's,75's, and 88's lol
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:43 am

PilotNtrng-

In some cases it would be easier to replace the cargo bin linings than to try to remove all of the "art"!!

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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:53 am

Seat 13G on a 733....isn't that the smoking section?  Smile

I've never seen any graffiti in planes, then again I've also never seen the insides of a cargo hold or looked too closely in the lavs. But I've seen a lot of stuff written in the men's rooms in airports, if repeated verbatim would probably get this post deleted.

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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:03 am

A lot of planes have graffiti inside the cargo pits.

Once I saw a UA 757 taxi in with a derogatory remark towards management in the grime on the landing gear door.
 
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:07 am

CRJmx-

I know, I was just kidding around. The Airlines would never do that just because of graffitti. The only people who see it are the ramp rats and MTC folks.




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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:10 am

Keep this post going this is hilarious! I never knew people put graffiti in the cargo holds.  Big thumbs up
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:35 am

I got this joke out of an ASA CRJ-200 Cargo hold.

How can you tell it's bed time at Michael Jackson's place?

When the big hand is on the little hand...

lol

so you do get some good stuff out of graffiti lol



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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:36 am

When I was in ATL a while back, I took a picture of an ASA baggage tug that had a canadian flag sticker stuck to the front, and beside it, someone had wrote "AMERICA'S #1 BITCH". I have a picture if anyone wants to see it. Let me know. LOL.
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:37 am

BR715-A1-30- I'd love to see that picture. Big grin
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:51 am

BR715-A1-30


Hey that would be awesome to see, post it!! lol



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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:26 am

Several years ago remarks were written on cargo walls with NW in BOS. Big investigation and murder of a NW employee. Had a lot to due with harassment,stolen items from bags and drugs. The written stuff was harassment toward employees to scare them in to keeping their mouths shut.
 
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:32 am

Shortsfa-

That is horrible to hear. Obviously the dumbass that wrote that wasn't very smart and was very ruthless. 99% of graffiti is trash talking and humorous.
Im sorry to hear that.
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:51 am

I don't know what that particular 737 said on the outside, but will try to find out. Many of USAir's ex-Eastern 757's have remarks about Lorenzo in the baggage compartments. Many of the US AIRWAYS EXPRESS ERj's have "EXPRESS PAY NO WAY!" written in the baggage bins.
 
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 10:05 am

Cody-


Union talk, corporate talk, are the fundamentals of bin graffiti. We let out stresses out on the bin walls, which is our work place. There has always been a fundamental difference between mainline and regional carriers. Example mainline Delta and OH, OO, EV, etc. It is even worse with contract ramp rats. Delta formed their own ramp contractor in Delta Airlines Global spices (whom I have worked for) and it was brutal. DL hates DGS ( ramper to ramper). It's all about money. Trust me DL mainline guys. DGS doesn't make crap!!
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 10:10 am

SRBMOD and Airtran737

Brining back fond memories of those two gents whose names were well written in most of the FL fleet i too had the pleasure of having the one as my instructor and he warned us about his name being everywhere in class

I see alot of stuff written in the grime and dirt of airplanes that you can see out the pax windows, usually smiley faces or innocent stuff on cowlings, I imagine with the opinion most US employees have of their current mgt and situation who knows what could have been written or by whom  Smile
 
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 10:14 am

I meant Delta Airlines Global Services, not spices... crappy spell check lol
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 12:20 pm

I bet it was WN having some fun with US. WN maybe trying to advertise on US A/C.
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:35 pm

I've seen the term 'Pumpmaster Flash' being written on quite a few of the inner doors of fuel panels. I've tried to pick up a pattern but he or she has tagged aircraft from different airlines. 'Pumpmaster' is a pretty busy fueler.
 
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:44 pm

Yeah, ASA is bad when it comes to graffiti in the cargo bins. A lot of racist stuff, phone numbers, anti management, pro union garbage. We once got a memo saying that "an" aircraft had to have graffiti removed from the cargo bin and that team members should report any other vandalized aircraft to management. Ummmm....hello! That's EVERY aircraft folks.
 
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:27 pm

Srbmod,

I know both of the guys you are talking about, both are still employees. One is an ATL ramp sup, who I think is now married to the agent you are speaking of. And the ohter was a lead and has since stepped down to a transfer driver.

Drop me an email and i'll see if i'm right.
 
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:32 pm

I'll be on the look out for any good bin art today, and post any pics that I might take.
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:14 pm

I've seen PumpmasterFlash's signature on many a cargo aircraft. The fuel panels are usually tagged on cargo aircraft, I guess they don't really care who sees it as much. Personally, I've never done it. They do create some great reading material while fuling though  Smile
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:45 pm



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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:34 pm

This is enlightening - sounds like graffiti and the such are more common than I thought. Also I stand corrected on my alphabet skills of 13G - lets move him to 13F.
 
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Sun Aug 29, 2004 11:01 pm

While some of this grafetti may be a way to releive the stress of working for an airline or maybe giving notice of unhappiness to an airline or it's situation, there are very serious problems with some of it. Some of it may be just offensive in it's language with foul words and sexual suggestions. Worse is that which encourages threats of violence, are cruely racist, sexist, offensive to a faith, or generally politically offensive (as noted above in some posts). Worse, some may be in violation of Federal and State workplace rules in the US or in some other countries, by creating a hostile work enviorment. Some is just plain stupid and shows the immaturity of a small number of otherwise fine employees. Some like the smiles, especially the inside of the engine part cover are clever, but they may cause problems on the a/c surfaces/skin and of it takes time and money to remove.
 
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Mon Aug 30, 2004 1:14 am

Anybody ever seen "The Man" (standing figure with the "male" symbol from crotch to leg) or "Poop-a-saurs Rex" (Looks like a dinosaur head eating a turd) let me know. The Poop-a-saurs was alledgedly a former fueler at MSN. Also, the quote "Terry is as old as dirt." inside any fuel doors... that was MSN.
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Mon Aug 30, 2004 1:59 am

In some cases it would be easier to replace the cargo bin linings than to try to remove all of the "art"!!


very true!! besides, the inside of the bin is how we ramp rats communicate between stations...

i've seen ramp staff put thier name on the dirty parts of an a/c. usually where a lot of dust accumulates. nasty remarks, that's a new one.
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RE: "Derogatory Remark" On US 737

Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:00 am

Some of the graffiti I saw in the pits of CP planes before the AC takeover was just stellar.

"Welcome to the Pits of Hell AC" was a common sight in the pits of the F28s (which were cramped, made of fibreglass and made you itch like crazy)....

Of course, many AC rampers in some of the stations would often "zap" the inside of CP planes' pits with stickers featuring the AC emblem and the words "Our Pride, Our Success." Needless to say, that didn't help foster any good feelings amongst guys working on CP who were looking at the demise of their company. Other graffiti gloating that "The End is Near" was also pretty common.....
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