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MAN Expansion?!?

Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:46 am

Hi Guy,

This is my first ever post on A.net, and what a pleasure it is to be a part of this worldwide community, thanks

Now lets get down to the talking Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Q. I life about 10miles form EGCC/MAN, Ive been wondering about could MAN be expanded? Maybe a T4?
Because 1. It is getting worldwide recognition about it being "europe's friendliest airport"
2.flights are being upgraded from 1x to 2x daily etc....

Also MAN is not part of the BAA group so it couldn't be held back?

Your thoughts please
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David_itl
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RE: MAN Expansion?!?

Sun Aug 29, 2004 5:28 am


There may be tentative plans for a T4 but if it comes to fruition, it won't be for at least 10 to 15 years! Below is a brief outline from the MAN Development Strategy to 2015

"The preferred areas for apron extension will be to the west of Terminal 2 (including land currently used for car parking); to the east of Terminal 3 (requiring relocation of existing uses), in the vicinity of the current maintenance village and on land at Cloughbank Farm presently utilised as the Aviation Viewing Park."

T1: original capacity 2.5 million passengers, currently 11 million passengers. Planned: more check-in desks and improve/extend arrivals area. Possible redevelopment of the multi-storey car park

T2: original capacity of 6 million passengers – it’s now been rasied to 7.3 million passengers. Planned extend pier and build a remote pier. Total capacity expected to be 18 million passengers

T3: current capacity 4.7 million passengers. Planned: expansion to the east of the terminal (losing a car park) but nothing set in concrete yet. Planned total capacity is expected to be 8.5 million passengers

By 2015 the capacities of the terminals are estimated to be capable of being expanded to process:

Terminal 1 14.7 million passengers per annum
Terminal 2 18.0 million passengers per annum
Terminal 3 8.5 million passengers per annum
Making a total of 41.2 million passengers

And a little table of how things have increased over the years....

1990 152,554 movements 56 stands
2000 178,968 movements 90 stands
2015 300,700 movements 152 stands (estimated)

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Demoose
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RE: MAN Expansion?!?

Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:06 am

The biggest problem at the moment is the stand capacity at MAN, the place is so congested in the mornings, not helped by the bottlenecks within the airport layout. There was an article in the Manchester evening news the other week about how they are desperate to expand, with stand provision being the most crucial at the moment. They will have to start getting the JCB's out soon if its to reach those passenger targets.

Mark
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planespotterx
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RE: MAN Expansion?!?

Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:19 am

Im not too sure wether the area is "green belt" land, but it seems MAN has a huge area of farmland and Woodland to the East of it, and Ive always wondered if they could ever develop anything there, instead of knocking down the old buildings and car-parks and making public service a bit more strenous (I mean if you build over a car-park you have to move the car park somewhere else to acommodate the cars you moved in the first place.)
Thats just my opinion anyway, if MAN has the space, why not use it..
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RE: MAN Expansion?!?

Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:21 am

When comes summer 2005, Thomas Cook will be offering flights to YUL (Montreal) on a weekly basis.

 
Demoose
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RE: MAN Expansion?!?

Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:34 am

One thing I learnt during my work over summer is that MAN is in mainly located in greenbelt land. However, with it being the airport it is seen as a unique case when it comes to development, hence it can get away with building a new runway through the cheshire countryside! Same rule applies with terminal buildings, it would all be looked at slightly differently with it being such a major development with big impacts - bad and good.

Mark
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whitehatter
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RE: MAN Expansion?!?

Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:36 am

T4 was the subject of detailed planning when T2 was being built. MAPLC is very forward looking.

Short term, T3 will be extended. This does look like it means the end of the Airport Hotel pub unless it can be accomodated, but will provide extra gates for OneWorld and UK/Eire operations which are being concentrated there. This will free up some gate space at T1. Aer Lingus looks likely to move there.

T2 can have Phase Two built, the original plans provided for a remote pier serviced by tunnels. This is where the cargo and parking stands are now. Skyteam are being accomodated there.

T1 is being refurbished at the moment, and more is planned. US and VS are moving there, which will be the Star operation terminal. SQ could concievably follow them once lounges are properly installed. US Airways will benefit from codesharing with BD and other Star carriers, with frequent connections both domestically and into Germany and Scandinavia.

As for Green Belt issues and other considerations, there were changes made to the zoning arrangements about the time that 06R/24L was built which would make it easier to expand onto adjacent land. The cargo centre could be relocated, and one possibility is to build it away from its current location. FedEx originally wanted a larger cargo ramp for a MAN operation. The land to the south and east of the airport would be favourite for a new apron.
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Craigy
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RE: MAN Expansion?!?

Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:39 am

The biggest problem MAN has is the design of the second runway.

1. To get to or from 24L/06R, you need to cross 24R/06L.

2. 24L/06R only has taxiways at one end, so if 24R/06L had to be closed for any reason, either 24L landings or 06R takeoffs would have to back-track almost the entire runway length.

3. Environmental restrictions do not allow use before 6am, between 12 noon and 3pm, and after 9pm.

Therefore, MAN can be considered a 1 1/2 runway airport, not a proper 2 runway airport. This would have a huge impact if more terminal space was to be added.

We could move BA's RJ services to Barton.....  Big grin

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whitehatter
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RE: MAN Expansion?!?

Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:45 am

24L/06R is up for an upgrade to a properly fed runway with a parallel taxiway. That's in the works. LGA seems to manage with its parallel runways and is a lot busier.

The restrictions on times also played a part in the FedEx decision to not locate there. They would potentially have needed two runways working at night. The lunchtime curfew isn't as binding as it can be suspended if needed, and wouldn't be a major obstacle to have revoked permanently.

It's the 5am to 12pm time when MAN goes potty.
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planespotterx
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RE: MAN Expansion?!?

Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:14 am

We could move BA's RJ services to Barton.....

Or do what they do In london and use Woodford as an alternative, Ive heard there slightly "short staffed" there at the moment lol..
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whitehatter
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RE: MAN Expansion?!?

Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:19 am

If BAe Syatems loses the Nimrod contract you can bet your granny's false teeth that a certain Mr O'Leary will be sniffing.

A lovely potential airport fifteen miles from Manchester....it'd be a Ryanair wet dream with the runway already there to handle 737s. If TUI can do it with Coventry then what's to stop someone like FR trying for a deal to use Woodford?
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Tristar100
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RE: MAN Expansion?!?

Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:31 am

Whitehatter, good point.

I thought this year the second runway will be open 24hrs?

Will it ever be?

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jetset7e7
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RE: MAN Expansion?!?

Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:09 am

No it will never be open 24 hours, there is a law between Manchester Airport, and the Cheshire government, as there are noise restrictions during certain hours, this is why the runway is closed 12-3pm, and anytime during the night.

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RE: MAN Expansion?!?

Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:15 am

Whitehatter - do you mean LGW with parallel runways? LGA certainly doesn't have them.

It is good news to hear that 06R/24L will be up for a full parallel taxiway, until now it has limited the way runway ops work, and at the moment would be a nightmare if 06L/24R had to close.
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whitehatter
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RE: MAN Expansion?!?

Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:58 am

Actually I was probably thinking of EWR. It's one of the New York airports which has parallel runways or at least an arrangement where traffic has to cross one active to get to or from the other.

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