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UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:11 pm

Nonstops are dropped eff. OCT31st

Let's see what AA does...

 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:13 pm

probably wont affect aa....they were the dominant carrier already.....aa might u-grade some equip but other than that its probably status quo
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:17 pm

UA had minimal service to MIA anyway, will not affect AA in the least...just too bad that a transcontinental route has to be dropped like that. Should we expect UA to dump any more transcons in the near future?
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:17 pm

How many flights does that leave for UA at MIA? Three or something like that? It's pathetic because they had three or four times that under regulation in the early 70's.
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:19 pm

anyone remember when ua had only 4 flights a day as late as 1985??????
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:19 pm

I just can't understand why UA would do this. I mean, they have hubs at SFO and LAX, and going to MIA, couldn't UA rely on O&D alone to fill these flights? Maybe the yields were low. I guess people flying MIA-LAX/SFO will be sent through DEN.

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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:23 pm

do i hear hp knocking on aa's door again, hahahaha
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:28 pm

flyboy....dont think hp is going to knock on any transcons door for awhile....didnt they have their proverbial tail handed to them on the lax/sfo east coast runs to them by ua,aa,dl????aa is to mia as hp is to phx....build up mia and u will have the eagles swarming over your home turf like crazy...isnt that why us,dl starting fll as a new focus city?????vs mia
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:36 pm

disagree with you, hp is only unhappy with sfo transcons, lax is doing well, and lax-mia is rumored as the next transcon, and i hope so, hope it to any airline to make aa fall to the ground. out of lax, the only flight pulled from their planned schedule were the night flights, but remember, back when announced, all the night flights to jfk/iad/bos were suppose to go, they were not discontinued to poor loads, they were only seasonal flights to begin with. as for sfo, sfo is losing frequencies due to poor stats. aa doesnt have the ground to hold in phx, they proved that with the jfk flights and how poorly those are doing for them
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:40 pm

I think they opened MIA-SFO and MIA-LAX when they bought PanAm's rights, who actually had some presence in Miami.
The SFO/LAX routes were probably fed with transfer passengers out of Buenos Aires/Montevideo, Santiago, Rio and Sao Paulo.
At a certain stage they even served Caracas and Lima (I could be wrong) out of Miami.
But I can imagine that they're re-structuring since they're focusing on their hubs in Chicago, Denver and Washington.
It is sad though, 'cause I think that UAL is still one hell of a carrier!
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:45 pm

flyboy,
you are correct....but....if hp started lax-mia non stops arpey and his group of widebody flyboys will saturate the market if hp does and i wouldnt count them out doing phx-mia even as a money losing route just to mess with hp...
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:46 pm

United could very well be just taking these a/c out of these routes just to place them somewhere where they may get better yield and return. I see all the airlines doing this now a days. You have to sacrifice your low yielding routes and place your a/c where they will work better for the airline. Common sense............. And I firmly believe, United will stand! Long live the legacy carriers!
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:51 pm

and just now found on the hp site, bos-sfo is completely discontinued as of october, i thought they were keeping one flight, but there aren't any. flights will resume june 1, 2005
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:55 pm

How many flights a day does UA have to each airport in SFO/LAX now? May be they shouldn't drop them completely but instead leave one flight per day to each airport.
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:02 pm

Airplaneslover,

As far as I know a 757 every morning to sfo and an A320 to lax
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:13 pm

Those MIA-LAX/SFO flight were becoming obsolete after the abandonment of the MIA-South America flights last year, which heralded the complete abolishment of the mini-MIA hub for UA. It was just a question of time. AA might very well add some capacity.

 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:42 pm

Flyboy7974,

Can you provide a link? There's nothing on the front page or in the PR section.
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:52 pm

provide a link to what, the hp news or the ua
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:11 pm

Airplaneslover,

They only have one flight a day with the 757 or 320...I cannot remember which one...but either way they are super empty as is most of their flights out of MIA so in order to boost loads on their other flights to IAD ORD and DENthey need to cancel this flight. It makes since to me as a logical move. With the 757's going to PS and all those 737 and 767 being retired..... mainline aircraft seem to be at a premium...So if you can carry the same amount of passengers with less flights then why not. Its effective fleet planning!

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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:31 pm

Hmm wow that is going to leave MIA preety much a non UA airport! They are cutting down more and more on their flights.

As far as AA and what this means for this market, don't expect much...maybe more frequency. They already have 5 daily flights to LAX on 752's and 763's (all non stop) and 3 daily non stops to SFO on 752's and 763. I am taking the 820am 763 MIA-SFO on Friday Morning, I will post the trip report upon my return.
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 10:25 pm

The reason for the suspension is simple: UA has lost the business travelers to AA. AA offers tweleve daily non-stop flights between the Miami area and California. UA's two couldn't compete. And after stopping the LatAm flights, those premium cabins were probably gonig out empty. I'm sure AA is happy. They probably won't increase SFO service, but there are rumours LAX will be getting a tenth daily, from MIA (AA's winter schedule is supposed to come out Sunday). This does open the door for America West. MIA-LAX has long been rumoured as their next transcon.

It is sad to see how UA has just killed their presence at MIA. That Star Alliance terminal is just going to look even emptier now, and so is that the new Red Carpet Club.

Also, on the rumour block, United may be dropping LAX-MCO next, Though MCO-SFO will stay, as it is the only non-stop service in the market.


[Edited 2004-08-30 15:26:37]
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 10:42 pm

All in all this is no surprise and no one is really going to notice these flights are gone! SFO/LAX-MIA were really a waste when they shut down the S. American Ops.

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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:04 pm

But a least their LAX flights are timed for connections with their south pacific network.
Abandoning MIA-LAX means they give up the whole market to OZ and NZ from Florida.
I have fears that their flights from MSY and DFW will not last much longer.
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:10 pm

... and an additional thought: not only can UA route pax through DEN (although there are only 2 flights), there is also some significant presence by codeshare partner US Airways in SOuthern Florida, at MIA and more so at FLL.

Other than that, I agree that it makes my sad to see to what extent UA has had to reduce its presence at MIA.
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Tue Aug 31, 2004 12:45 am

Seems like these would be candidate routes for Ted? I suppose the low yield is there, but not the volume. LA and Bay Area folks holiday in Hawaii and the west coast of Mexico and less so in Florida.
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Tue Aug 31, 2004 1:30 am

I have fears that their flights from MSY and DFW will not last much longer.

...based on?
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Tue Aug 31, 2004 1:53 am

Seems like these would be candidate routes for Ted?

No, not really. MIA is too expensive for TED to operate to. MIA will remain a Ted-less operation for UA for a good time coming.
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Tue Aug 31, 2004 1:58 am

If that was not a profitable market, then good for them for making the right decision. Its about business and not personal choices when and were to fly into.
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Tue Aug 31, 2004 2:50 am

AA is killing UA in MIA so I guess it's not a real shock that the non-stops to LAX/SFO have gone,however it is a great shame.
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:38 am

UA will add a 3rd LAX-MSY nonstop on 10/31. So much for the thoery that LAX-MSY will get cut. UA will own the market once the 3rd nonstop starts.
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:00 am

MSYtristar,

it was not my intention to express a roumour that UA could pull ou of MSY, I only had fears that MAI could be the beginning of more.

Nice to see that they stay commited to MSY!
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:13 am

UA will add a 3rd LAX-MSY nonstop on 10/31. So much for the thoery that LAX-MSY will get cut. UA will own the market once the 3rd nonstop starts.


That flight is temporary and only operates only between 31 October and 16 December.
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:35 am

What kind of season is that 31/OCT to 16/DEC?

Is the autumn in MSY that interesting, or why?
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:29 am

The Fall in MSY is prime convention season. Several airlines are adding additional frequencies during this period on various routes. It's still good to see UA add this flight, even though it's temporary. Down here we take what we can get.
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:27 am

Good. Glad to see UA cutting low yield flights and cutting costs and their associated drain on financial results.

As much as hurts to say, AA has always kicked UA's ass in MIA. I believe that's why UA finally wised up and moved most, if not all, int'l. flights out of MIA. No need to serve MIA at all, really...fly people down on TED and call it good.
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Tue Aug 31, 2004 1:29 pm


Too bad to see these flights go but the writing was on the wall. I travel LAX-MIA-LAX two or three times a year and have seen the progressive downgrade of equipment and frequency. Will miss these non-stop flights but still won't do AA.

 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:23 am

I just travelled the LAX-MCO in early August on United. It was completely full (and a full flight does not equal profitable and yadda yadda yadda...). Unless UA suddenly is dropped by Disney as the preferred corporate airline, LAX-MCO (a.k.a. the Disney special) won't be dropped anytime soon.
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:39 am

Unless UA suddenly is dropped by Disney as the preferred corporate airline, LAX-MCO (a.k.a. the Disney special) won't be dropped anytime soon

That is exactly why the flight may be dropped. Disney, for the most part, subsidies the front cabin. They might not for long.
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:29 am

What airline would they switch to? AA? That would be the only other plausible airline for that market and for Disney's needs.
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:33 am

maybe MIA will become TED's next city! Hope not!
Could this be a spot where "NEW DELTA" decides to go? It is a premium O&D route with easy Hawaii connections!
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:02 am

How many gates does UA have a MIA? Who will get them?
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:53 am

I was talking with a UA dispatcher today while at work who was flying out on one of our flights and he said that UA will be removing 26 737's and 13 767-200's from the fleet in the near future and that could possibly mean more furloughs for pilots and F/A's. He was also saying that UA is looking to add more Express operations on some of the shorter 737 routes that are currently flown.
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:12 am

Freshlove1,

While its true that the 26 737's left in the beginning of last month and the 767-200's will be gone after the PS comes out, February, there will be no more fuloughs. The higher seniority retirements continue and longhaul flying is increasing along with higher use of the existing fleet through lessons learned through Ted. There is only going to be 1300 flights in January compared to about 1800 now according to the CRS system but the same staff will be working those. With the Reintroduction of service to a lot of different Caribbean and Mexican city's and heavy expantion expected through out Europe and the pacific I don't see much changing in terms of staffing levels of pilots and flight attendants. As a matter of fact they just recalled another 375 flight attendants in the next few months. I think what your friend was referring to with the Express redeployment on some 737 routes was to free those aircraft to fly some of the medium routes that the airbuses are on now that are going to Ted and new destinations. With the 737's that are gone now they are maintaining their schedule with what they have. You wont see anytime soon some massive recoil just redeployment to longer stage lengths such as the new ORD TUS route double daily with the 737. While even I can probably predict which UA stations will probably close soon with the operations of express's larger aircraft coming online, I think the writing was on the walls for those for quite a while. UA is simply redeploying aircraft were they are needed. Very appropriate.

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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:24 am

How many gates does UA have a MIA? Who will get them?

I'm not exactly sure, but AC, UA, US, LH, and RG will have 14 gates between the four of them starting in mid-2006 in the new Concourse J. In fact, Concourse J was topped off yesterday, with the last section of the roof placed on.

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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:02 am


I'm not exactly sure, but AC, UA, US, LH, and RG will have 14 gates between the four of them starting in mid-2006 in the new Concourse J. In fact, Concourse J was topped off yesterday, with the last section of the roof placed on.

Seems like alot of gates chasing not too many flights.
 
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:34 am



Seems like alot of gates chasing not too many flights.


The airlines had this huge plan to create an interantional Star Alliance gateway at MIA. This terminal is part of the plan, since they will share everything in this one concourse - gates, ground crew, check in, premium lounges. The plan to share everything, et. all is still on. From what I have heard, while United is cutting flights left and right, the new terminal might mean that Star Alliance will build-up MIA a little more when it opens. Though it won't be anything like originally planned.
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RE: UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX

Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:38 am


From what I have heard, while United is cutting flights left and right, the new terminal might mean that Star Alliance will build-up MIA a little more when it opens. Though it won't be anything like originally planned.

One can only hope, otherwise we might as well rename MIA to MIAA!