QANTASpower
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QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:22 pm

Just letting people know that QF recommences flights to Mumbai from tomorrow with a non stop 743.

Does anybody know what the loads are like?


Also I guess this means only 1 x 743 is now in storage.

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Vimanav
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:26 pm

Does that mean we get to see 'Nalanji Dreaming' in BOM?

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Qantasflyer
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:20 pm

Thats great news, i totally forgot about that! QF offer a great product and will surely please its passengers on the route! Its great to see QF adding all these new destinations.

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flying-b773
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:31 pm


Its good to hear that QF is starting Bombay Again.... but well, hope that QF can bring back the daily turn around to bom via sin again..... sin-india flights are so packed, and the more carriers the better..... and also need more QF aircrafts in singapore... miss the good old glory days in Sin... anyway how long will the flight time be syd-bom? and is only 1 aircraft required for the route?

have a great day..
regards,
 
QANTASpower
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:50 pm

Yes only 1 aircraft is required as it is 3 x weekly. However QF intend to increase to 5 x weekly in the medium term and hence 2 x 743's will be needed.

 
malb777
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:52 pm

would be nice if QF could do SYD-BOM-LHR would make another interesting stopover on the way through
thank god i was not born a bird. this type of flying is much better
 
ZKSUJ
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:26 pm

How long does the flight take to BOM?
 
Qantasflyer
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:26 pm

Doesnt the new service start on wednesday 1st september?

http://www.qantas.com.au/international/hk_eng/products/service_mumbai_shanghai.html
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BOEING787
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:38 pm

Sked eff. 01 SEP as per AMADEUS:

TN01SEPSYDBOM/AQF
** AMADEUS - TN ** BOM MUMBAI.IN 01SEP04 08SEP04
1 QF 123 5 SYD 1 BOM 2 0900 1630 0 03SEP04 03SEP04 743 12:00
2 QF 123 37 SYD 1 BOM 2 0900 1630 0 05SEP04 27OCT04 743 12:00



TN01SEPBOMSYD/AQF
** AMADEUS - TN ** SYD SYDNEY.AUNS 01SEP04 08SEP04
1 QF 124 357 BOM 2 SYD 1 1830 1015+1 0 05SEP04 29OCT04 743 11:15
 
BOEING787
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:42 pm

Here's wishing QF much success for the new flights and pray this resumption of BOM service clicks just in time for the busy summer tourist season in Australia!

I feel 4 or 5 weekly flights instead of 3 may just be a better option - at least till end Jan 2005.

 
HB-IWC
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:01 pm

The flight there looks to be filling up in front but wide open in the back, while the return flight is wide open in both classes:

SYD BOM 01/0900 01/1630 QF123 J5 D5 Y9 H9 K9 M9 L9 S9 V9 O9 Q9 N9 [743]
BOM SYD 01/1830 02/1015 QF124 J9 D9 Y9 H9 K9 M9 L9 S9 V9 O9 Q9 N9 [743]

 
flying-b773
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:37 pm


i dont think QF would start a route that is so thin that 3X weekly service cant fill their aircraft..... anyway, does anyone know how was the EX QF123/124 SYD-SIN-BOM loads? especially the the Sin-BOM sectors.. they used to have 743/742/747sp/763 on the route.... and how did the morning syd-sin fare?
any1?

thanxs and have a nice day
regards,
 
mrniji
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:06 pm

would be nice if QF could do SYD-BOM-LHR would make another interesting stopover on the way through

I personally doubt Britain and India to be ready to grant 5th gen freedon rights to QF
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Gemuser
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:55 am

Mrniji

Do you have reason to belive that QF has lost the fifth freedom rights India - Europe, that it has held for, at least, the last 40 years? Given that the OZ-India bilateral AFAIK has never been renegotiated it seems unlikley.


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GuyBetsy1
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:43 am

There might not be enough traffic solely between SYD and BOM. An intermediate stop is required.. so even though SIN-BOM may not be feasible economically in the short term, it will generate loads and eventual revenue in the long term. Pity QF is too impatient there.
 
mrniji
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:21 am

Mrniji

Do you have reason to belive that QF has lost the fifth freedom rights India - Europe, that it has held for, at least, the last 40 years?


Apology... I was not aware of that
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aussie747
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:18 am

There is plenty of demand for Australia to India flights, however in most cases economy yields are very low due the price sensitive passengers at this end of the market.
This is why they pulled out before, good loads poor yields. However this product is non stop now so it could be different.

When we had the product launch last week, we were told loads were quite encouraging overall and particularly good in Business class. Go figure (encouraging - airline speak for not too good could be better)

As the Agreements give 2100 seats per week in each direction to QF (all of available capacity) it means QF can go to 5 times weekly whenever. But due to this meager amount of capacity it leaves little scope to fly to DEL or out of MEL etc.

 
mrniji
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:13 pm

I am particularly interested in the O&D between Perth and India, a route AI served some time ago.. does anyone have any ideas whether starting flights at PER is considered and would be economically?
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zvezda
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Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:33 pm

It seems odd to me that an airline would choose 3x/week or 5x/week service in a B747-300 rather than daily service in a smaller aircraft. Is SYD-BOM within the range of an A330-200 or a B767-300ER? Obviously, an A340-500 or B777-200ER could serve this route. Of course, in this case QF has the B747-300s on hand with nothing much else to do.
 
DIJKKIJK
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:33 pm

I honestly feel that a better destination for QF in India is MAA and not BOM. The movement from South India to Australia is much more than that from the rest of India, particularly BOM. There's also a sizeable movement between CMB and Australia which QF can exploit better via MAA than via BOM.
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jasepl
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:53 pm

Both QF and BA certainly do have full LHR-India-Australia rights (amongst others). Qantas could, in theory, operate a SYD-BOM-LHR run, but might run into problems because the bilateral governing their ops is restricted by capacity. BA, on the other hand, face a bilateral restricted by frequency and they've maxed out on that. In addition, and I'm not 100% sure of this, but doesn't the UK-Australia JSA require they share codes on all Kangaroo routes? If this were indeed the case, then both BA and QF overstep their bounds if either one wants to operate UK-India-Australia.

That said, if they do find ways around said problems and QF can start SYD-BOM-LHR, it would be great move for almost all parties. At the moment though, I believe you can buy a combined QF/BA ticket with a free India stopover for the same price as one involving a stop in SIN or BKK.
 
Gemuser
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:29 am

Zvezda:

QF is only allowed 5 flights per week under the bilateral treaty, so daily service is not on. As for aircraft, as you say they have the 743 on hand and they are owned, not leased and I assume fully depricated (but just refurbished) so they are a reasonable aircraft for this route which is likley to be high volume, but low yeild. The newer 763 & 332/333 aircraft can be kept for higher yeilding routes.

Jasepl:

The JSA is NOT between UK and Australia, but between QF & BA. So they can amend it at will. (Don't know about the UK end, but in Oz, it is subject to review by the anti-trust agency NOT aviation or foregin affairs)
IIRC in the JSA code shares are subject to regulatory approval, which in this case would not be forth comming, but I don't think that would mean the service could not go ahead.

Far more relevent is the lack of slots at LHR. QF has just got things in place for 4 daily services, so I dont think any more are immediately on the cards, so to do SYD-BOM-LHR would mean switching a flight away from SIN (2 daily), BKK or HKG (the new one), which does not seem reasonable from a yeild point of view.


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texdravid
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:52 pm

Wow, someone who thinks of MAA that highly to suggest a QF SYD-MAA flight!!

Man, you're cool!

That being said, I wouldn't hold my breath....

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Aeri28
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:51 pm

slightly off topic, but did anybody ever see that movie "Holy Smoke" with Kate Winslet? She plays an Australian girl who joins a cult in India and her mother from comes to try to rescue her and take her home. Well, the mother has quite a lot of problems in India cultural wise and eventually ends up getting very sick and hurt, so Kate decides to return her mother to Austrlia, As they are wheeling her mother to be airlifted back to Australia, the mother vows never to set foot in India again and just as they are bringing the stretcher into the rear door, the mother sees the Qantas Kangaroo tail and says 'Thank God it's Qantas!"

(this is not a personal jab on India, I myself love India, i'm just relating a snippet of a movie that came out a few years ago)

[Edited 2004-09-08 08:54:30]
 
United Airline
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:03 pm

Oh it takes 12 hours to fly from SYD to BOM????

Wow perhaps the longest B 747 Classic route today?

How long does it take to get from Rome to Bangkok???? TG is flying this route with a B 747-300.
 
nickofatlanta
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:30 pm

United Airline:
BKK-FCO is a lot shorter than SYD-BOM. BKK-FCO is a route of 5,490 miles whilst SYD-BOM is a route of 6,310 miles. If the figures were closer, I would have looked up the flight times, but don't see the point given how much longer SYD-BOM is in distance terms.
 
PerthGloryFan
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:47 am

I am particularly interested in the O&D between Perth and India, a route AI served some time ago.. does anyone have any ideas whether starting flights at PER is considered and would be economically?

It would be nice to think so - sure miss those cute maharajah TV ads from my childhood but with over 1600 seats average a day both ways between PER and SIN with all the connections available in SIN it's not likely to happen.

If anyone's interested here's a summary of the history of Air India's Australian ops lifted from their website. As shown AI had two goes with services into Perth - it didn't state but I think the last effort ended around 1998/99.

1956
October 5 Extension of the Bombay / Singapore service to Sydney via Darwin with L-1049

1962
May 7 Introduction of Boeing 707s on the Sydney route with the service operating via Bangkok instead of via Madras. Withdrawal of Super Constellations from scheduled operations.

1962
October 1 Introduction of Perth on Bombay / Sydney route as a scheduled halt instead of Darwin which was a technical halt.

1976
March 29 Boeing 747-200 introduced on Australia route. VT-EDU "Emperor Akbar" commanded by Capt. C.R.S. Rao operated the first flight to Sydney via Madras, Singapore and Perth.

1980
June 1 Singapore eliminated as a halt on Bombay / Sydney weekly service which now operates Bombay / Perth / Sydney / Melbourne / Perth / Bombay.

1986
April 3 Perth becomes off-line. AI-404/411 operated at Bombay / Singapore / Sydney / Singapore / Bombay.

1991
January 31 Operations to Sydney withdrawn as they continue to be uneconomic. The last flight AI-424/431 was operated on the India /Sydney sector on January 31,1991.

1995
March 2 Operations to Perth reintroduced the twice weekly services are operated with Air-India`s own A310 aircraft on Mondays and Thursdays on the routing Mumbai-Bangalore-Singapore-Perth-Singapore- Bangalore-Mumbai. With the reintroduction of this service, Air-India`s worldwide route network once again covers all five continents.

... but not now unfortunately ...

PGF
 
mrniji
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RE: QF To India Starts Tomorrow!

Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:17 am

Very nice, PerthGloryFan!

Thanks  Smile
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