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NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:55 pm

Just found out that ship #9909 (N959N 47255) has been sent to "storage". She will join #9902 (N952N 47073), #9905 (N955N 47160), #9937 (N908H 47517), and #9962 (N914RW 41362) for a well deserved retirement.


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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:28 pm

Also ship #9152 DC-9-10 is on its way today to MZJ for retirement..
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:48 pm

9152!!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!, I flew on that one 7/17/04. She was such a cute little bird. I'm gunna miss her alot. N8911E, You will be missed.


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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:54 pm

Which planes and how many did NW order to replace the DC9's?

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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:56 pm

They are ordering 30 DC-9-50s  Big grin
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:00 pm

Nope, they are refurbishing, reengining and super-stretching some DC-3's. Big grin

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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:00 pm

If only Rekkof would hurry up and offer the Fokker 70NG soon....
I love the F70, get to fly it again next week MRS-AMS on KLM.

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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:12 pm

Northwest DC-9's, as usual...
That's something we talk about a lot in airliners.net. You can't miss posts about NW DC-9's when you come to the forum. Northwest is expecting to retire its last DC-9 in 2010, replacement could be either the B-717 (however I doubt it because that one doesn't seem to have a future), the Airbus A318/319 or the EMB-190.
Northwest has three different DC-9 variants, the 10, the 30 and the 50.
The 10's are gone, if not gone yet there are very few left, they have been replaced with Avro RJ's.
The 30's which make up the majority of the DC-9 fleet at Northwest could in my opinion be replaced in the long run with a mixture of A318's/319's and EMB-190's.
The 50's coulc be replaced with additional A319's.

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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:17 pm

I always love the discussions regarding NW DC-9's. GKirk, you gave me my laugh of the day!

Frankly, I have always loved the DC-9, most recently flew a NW 9-30 about 6 weeks ago.

The 737-200 sure seems to have a lot of fans here, but I am definitely not one of them. I do about anything to avoid getting stuck on one of them!
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:59 pm

American 767.................NWA does have some -40's too! Check reg's N750NW thru N763NW.


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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:01 pm

Give me a DC9 any day over a CRJ!
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:14 pm

Being born and raised in MSP I love the nines! Kind of ironic that the CRJ's brought back service we used to see from DC9's .....being in my 40's I sure remember 9's puddle jumping all over the country like the CRJ's are doing now!
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:24 am

There was a -15 still in service I thought, just saw a photo of one recently in the DB.

Where are the remaining -14's still flying to?
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:35 am

NWA DC-9 talk...SO great lol... For the newcomer that asked what they'll be replaced with... My personal opinion buddy is a mixture of More A319, and CRJ-200/700
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:37 am

remember 9's puddle jumping all over the country

I thought "puddle jumping" referred to the actual puddle, ie the Atlantic. But I may be wrong.
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:39 am

Starlionblue........................American figure of speech too.................I know what you are saying though.

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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:18 am

For a simple fit form function drop in replacement, why does anything but the 717 make any sense??
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:20 am

"Puddle-Jumper"
Anything less than 51 seats.....We sometimes refer to the Atlantic as the "Pond"
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:27 am

#9151, N8909E is still in service. Had the pleasure of a ride Sunday Aug29 LAN-DTW.
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:29 am

I agree with KL911, they can replace them for Rekkof, or, if they don't have enought money to buy new ones, they can purchase some ex AA ones. It could be a nice replacement.

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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:31 am

Id like to try an experiment... place a DC9 and a CRJ, side by side, going to the same destination. Offer passengers either aircraft, as confirmed by the view out the window. See which aircraft fills up first. I bet the DC9 leaves out of there full.
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:22 am

GulfstreamGuy, where did you find out this information, iks there a certain website you found it on, or generally use to get this sort of of information?
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:34 am

Gulfstream guy is a CSA for NW. Check his profile.
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:40 am

To all the DC-9's: Thanks for the memories!
If not now, then when?
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:05 am

Are these DC 9s up for maintence checks, is that why they're going to the desert?
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:07 am

.... for power push backs

.... for upgrades to first class

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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:42 am

I was just on a NW DC9-50 MSP-DTW a couple of weeks ago. We were sitting in row 25 right next to one of the engines. Next time I wear earplugs!
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:12 am

KL642..I knew a guy in the DTW area who bought a Porche a few years ago.
I asked him did he get the disc player and premium sound for the extra cost?
His reply was...."Hell, no dummy. I bought a Porche to listen to the engine
not music".
nuff said.
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:14 am

No, no, no, no, no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2010? I've heard 2030, but 2010? I don't like the sound of that. I love that plane (as you know) and that was also my first plane.

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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:55 am

Guys (and gals)

Everyone calm down.

This is just a continuation of the same plan that NW has been following since the mid-late 90's.

The DC-9 fleet for the most part is staying put. The -10's will be gone by the end of the year. Orginally the DC-9-10's were supposed to be out of the fleet in 2000-2001 when the Arvo's joined the fleet, but they decided to keep them around longer.

As has been the case, when specific airframes reach a certain number of cycles and have pending heavy maintenance or specific issues, the aircraft will be retired. Basically when that specific aircraft has reached the end of its useful economic life.

Its basically a few DC-9's per year leaving the fleet, so few that you really can't even tell. DC-9 fleet utilization is down slightly can take a few frames out of service.
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:54 am

Wow, I caught N8912E (DC-9-14) at PHL on Saturday. I'm glad caught it, since it looks like they won't be around much longer.

I'm still not sure what it was in here for. I'm thinking it may have been a sub for an ARJ that came in here with an engine fire indication the previous night. That ARJ was stuck on the ramp all day Saturday.
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:25 pm

It is too bad NW decided not to paint a DC-9-10 in the new colors. I must've flown tons of TWA DC-9-10s and NWA DC-9-10s. The DC-9-10 is the real thing...the classic DC-9. Oh boy, how nice these "baby" DC-9s would've looked in NWA's new colors  Crying
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:49 pm

Actually, from doing a little bit of research, there are quite a few DC9-30s out there with more cycles than Ship 9152 had. :-(. I will miss that plane. When I flew on her last month, I enjoyed EVERY SINGLE MINUTE OF IT!!!. LONG LIVE DC9-14 #67
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 4:34 pm

ILSApproach
Thanks for remembering the oft forgotten -40, the most proportionatly pleasing (fuselage length) of the series to me. Not many of them around.

-9 fans, I know how you feel. I was hired just before they started on the scene and will retire BEFORE most of my old aluminum friends do. At least that one thing was a constant in this changing scene. As for a replacement I'd say pilot scope clauses and ground worker mainline contracts versus "Express" are playing almost as much an influence as available technologies. The second generation RJs should bring it all together.

I still prefer my beer from a bottle as I'd hate to think I was disgarding an old flying buddy.

Keep on Flyin'

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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 4:37 pm

I took 9909 once from MSP-DLH to go on a date. What a solid piece of steel cruising the skies of Minnesota! But, last time I looked it up, it had an insane amount of cycles, starting to approach NW's fatal 100000 mark.
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:07 pm

Erj145lr,

NW7E7 is right. I am a CSA for NW and every quarter, NW publishes an Aircraft Fleet Information booklet that lists the entire fleet for NW (Airlink not included). It tells the number of aircraft type in service, how many on order and total. On the last page it lists all the aircraft that are put in storage. There are also special notes if a certain aircraft is fitted for long range fuel or any other notes.

What also is great is it tells the following info on each aircraft in service:

For example, N661US:


  1. Ship No.: 6301

  2. A/C type: 747-451

  3. Reg No.: N661US

  4. MSN/FSN: 23719 696

  5. Var Tab No.: RT401 (I am not real sure what this means)

  6. Engine Type: PW4056

  7. Total Seats: 403

  8. Date of MFG: 08-DEC-89



This happens to be the third quarter pamphlet (Effective July 1st, 2004) so it's just a little behind. As soon as I get a hold of the next quarter I will update anyone who wants to know.

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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:51 pm

GulfstreamGuy is correct, yet the Aircraft Fleet Information booklet does not tell the whole story.
The following is the DC-9 plan through March 2005.

DC-9-10 to be retired:

01Sep04 9151 N8909E
01Dec04 9155 N8914E
9156 N8915E
04Jan04 9153 N8912E
9138 N9348
9154 N8913E
This will be the last of the -10's at NWA.

DC-9-30 to be retired:

04Jan 04 9903 N953N
9906 N956N
9907 N957N
9908 N958N

DC-9's to be returned to service:

Jan 05 9881 N676MC
9938 N1798U
Feb 05 9880 N675MC
9966 N9330
Mar 05 9972 N9336

Once this all takes place NWA will have only one DC-9 9942 N3991C remaining in storage for possible return to service(unlikely due to chronic fuel leaks).

Two other notes of interest. NWA is planning on returning 5 temp parked 757-200's Feb-May of 2005. 4 A319's are to be delivered Jan-Apr 2005.

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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:14 pm

Given the age of some of these jets, does anyone have details of Hrs and Cycles of individual aircraft, and the limits.

Kl911, I think that people will only take the F70/100 seriously if they see them fly again. I do not think that it will happen.
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:17 pm

E7plner....GEEEZ..if your post is correct, I was on 9151 on the 29th, just a couple of days before retirement. I was on the LAN-DTW leg and then it was going to TVC according to the departure board at DTW.
Thats most interesting!!
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:32 pm

Actually the EMB-175 would directly replace the -10s, while the EMB-195 or 717 would directly replace the -30s. The -40s will mostlikely be replaced by the A318s and the -50s with the A319s.

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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:43 pm

A318s and A319s for NW methinks  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:51 pm

for the ones that thinks that the Fokker F-70 is going to replace the DC-9's well i have to say its 99% sure this isn't going to happen

1- the change of restart is arleady very small....

2- NW has to many different Sized DC-9's that it can't be replaced by just 1 single type like F-70, more likely A318/19/20 or ERJ-170/75/900 or CRJ familly, the F-70 and F-100 (wich won't come in the next 5 years) can't give them what they want

3- rekkof mentioned they will be able to build 45 pieces a year, since NW has a lot of DC-9's, and KLM and other airlines also wan't to buy the F-70 they can't only build for NW wich will take 3 years producing only for NW DC-9 replacement...



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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:24 am

Looks like a 'shorty' bites the dust....

Airline Northwest
Flight Number 9750
Departure City (Airport) Minneapolis, MN (MSP)
Departure Time 09/01/2004 08:13 AM
Arrival City (Airport) Marana, AZ (MZJ)
Arrival Time 09/01/2004 09:00 AM
Remaining Flight Time 00:38
Aircraft Type DC91
Current Altitude 35,000 feet
Current Groundspeed 581 mph
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:15 am

I'll miss the DC-9's. I wish I could work on those aircraft.  Sad
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:46 am

First 9152, then 9151 today. Man. I feel so lucky that I got to fly on that. At least GPT is good for something.  Smile
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:44 am


Given that when RP-C1507 crashed in 1998, that it had 73,784 Hours on the clock according to http://Aviation-safety.net it seems doubtful whether there is any life left in at least the older Cebu DC9-3O's.

I think that they will be parted out.
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:27 am

BR715

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You said it!!!



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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:40 am

I know many people like the DC-9 and will miss it when they are gone. I will miss the DC-10 when it is no longer in service also. Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:32 am

I probably rode on that bird, today's casualty DC-9-10, but if not, I certainly HEARD it scream over my house many, many times. It is pretty momentous when a bird of almost 40 years' flying makes her last flight. Well done, MD and NWA.
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RE: NW DC-9 Retirement Update

Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:37 am

Mr. McDonnell had nothing to do with that bird, SUPA....

#45770 Built by Douglas Aircraft Co, Long Beach CA 1n 1966
The aircraft retained it same reg. number,N8909E, its entire life.
First flown OCT 8, 1966
Delivered to EA NOV 7, 1966
Sold to RC NOV 9, 1979
Merged NW OCT 1, 1986
Last flown Sept 1, 2004

My personal log on that plane shows a total of seven trips on her.
First time Dec 14, 1991 DTW-LAN
Last time Aug 29, 2004 LAN-DTW
Thanks for letting me share this info.

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