MAH4546
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UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:02 am

United Airlines' regional affiliate will begin service to Northwest Arkansas this Halloween. They will offer three daily RJ flights to Chicago O'Hare and one daily flight to Denver...

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-31-2004/0002241404&EDATE=

Northwest Arkansas Regional Airport benefits the area greatly, thanks to Wal*Mart. The airport features non-stop service to a large number of major US hubs, including Los Angeles, LaGuardia, and Newark, nearly unheard of for a city of its size and location.
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CALMSP
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:57 am

my buddy was the GM down there for COEX, and it has blossomed into the top COEX city in the system. Although they suffer from some of the lowest load factors, they still have one of the top two yeild stations in the COEX system. THis airport is unbelievable. What will be the next city?
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:09 am

oh yeah and...............just what we need more flights at ORD!!!
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:32 am

So all this lines exist only because of the WallMart headquater?

My map doesnt show too many population around XNA. The next bigger cities seem to be LIT, TUL and SGF.
 
BH346
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:42 am

Northwest Arkansas is a very high-yield market with Wal-Mart and Tyson (poultry) based in the area. This provides a lot of lucrative business travel for the airlines.

Good to see United back in Arkansas, I'm wondering why they havent reinstated Little Rock, I can't see how a city that large can't support some Express flights.
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:09 am

Who else has been to that airport? I for one have. It is wild. You are like driving through meadows, woods, and fields on a little two lane road. You then suddenly come upon this little airport in the middle of nowhere!The airport was nice and new, but a sleepy little place! This was several years ago, and really AA Eagle was about the only one there at the time!
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:15 am

Well I am surprised that UA didn't start IAD from there seeing as that there is no WAS service now from XNA and there is a ton to ORD on AA. If its relay the business capital of Arkansas then WAS would have been more logical. But what do I know?  Smile

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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:30 am

I was hopeing for more FLL service! damn it! How do you think FLL-XNA sounds?
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:45 am

It was always funny that XNA had non-stop service to New York for years and LIT, the state capital, did not. Wal-Mart and Tyson definately had the need!
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:16 am

XNA is an unbelievably nice airport, and the area(Fayetteville, Bentonville, Springdale, and Rogers) is one of the fastest growing areas in the USA east of the Rockies. It has a two lane country road to the airport and only one gas station from the interstate to the airport...great airport though.
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MAH4546
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:38 am

I was hopeing for more FLL service! damn it! How do you think FLL-XNA sounds?

Maybe Delta will give it a try... Wink/being sarcastic

On a serious note, though, American Eagle has been toying around with MIA-XNA. I don't think it will see the light, but it has been tossed around.
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:55 am

just what we need, more RJs at ORD!
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:14 am

I think this is great! I have flown into XNA before, and it is a great little airport. Yes, the two lane road to get there past all the houses is strange, but there is ZERO traffic.

I usually have to fly to TUL then drive for a couple of hours to get to this part of the country. This will save me a lot of time and I still get to fly United!  Smile
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:20 am

Back in the day, when I flew for Trans States, I used to fly into XNA all the time. It is strange, full airplanes in and out of an airport in the middle of nowhere. Actually, the airport is somewhere: Highfill, Arkansas, population 78 (circa 1999- I doubt it has changed much).

XNA is a nice facility, though. Boring overnight in Bentonville... I avoided it like the plague.

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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:55 am

Wonder what ORD flights UA is giving up to accommodate these flights, since ORD has been essentially capped (and reduced)?
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:20 pm

NomoreRJs, better get used to it. Anyone know what express carrier will be flying these routes?
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:27 pm

Why doesn't United just redistribute some of their ORD flights to MDW? Don't they serve some flights there, to MDW  Confused
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:51 pm

Walmart and its evil overlords can burn in hell. There is no reason whatsoever that XNA deserves or can justify more flights. Tyson has nothin really to do with it, its just evil ol Wal Mart hogging airtraffic they don't need, cause maybe once every couple of weeks their executives needs a last minute trip, but the shouldn't have the joy of nonstops to places like LAX an LGA, btw, why would they need a LGA flt? Wal-mart has no outlets in NYC? I say Monoply Mart people should connect like everyone on else, and w/ fewer flts. Agian airlines shouldn't be putting frequent flts on XNA routes and fly them empty 99% of the time just cause once in a while a WM exec needs a quick trip and thinks he deserves non stop service.

Also, why should Wal-Mart need this air service, they've got a fleet of Lear Jets and King Airs to haul their greedy executives around in.
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:54 pm

Why doesn't United just redistribute some of their ORD flights to MDW? Don't they serve some flights there, to MDW

It would be kinda hard to connect to a United mainline flight from MDW?!?!?
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:55 pm

BH346:
Frontier has beat UA on the LIT-DEN route. Service starts Oct. 10th

American has got ORD-LIT covered and the only other option for UA would be LIT-IAD.

LIT has really grown this year too. Several flights added onto existing routes and 3 new destinations this year.(MSP, EWR, DEN) and equipement upgrades(NW A319's, CR7's on almost all American Eagle flights out of LIT)

EDIT: Pre-9/11 LIT had UA "mainline" service on 737's to DEN and ORD. Post 9/11 they cut down to CRJ's and then they left.

[Edited 2004-09-01 07:01:56]
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:01 am

NW7E7,
So because F9 has DEN-LIT and AA ORD-LIT, then UAL shouldn't try for it? UAL Will do just fine with these flights. If best they will take passengers away from F9 and AA as well.

I thought UAL pulled out of LIT in the middle 90's, anybody know the date?

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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:17 am

RE: boom at XNA

As it has been explained to me, any company that does business with Wal Mart must have an office in Arkansas, so as a result everybody and their mother has set up shop there and that is what drives so much of the flying biz. Anyone?
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:35 am

@Rjnut:

So you mean a sausage producer from Chicago needs an office in Northeast Arkansas to sell its products at WallMart?

Thats strange!
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:44 am

dsuairptman-
Next time on your flight to XNA, walk up and down the aisle, politely ask each passenger for whom they work.
You'll find most of the passengers are salespeople that work for the vendors, one of the thousands that count Wal-Mart as their biggest and most important accounts.
You'll find maybe one is a Wal-Mart employee, maybe 2 or 3 VFR (Visiting Friends Relatives) and the rest are salespeople trying to make a buck.
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:05 am

i thought it strange too, re: represnetation required in Arkansas..i dont know the details but i do know that office parks and hotels have sprung up all over the greater Wal-mart region.

I remember the old days, Scheduled Skyways at old Drake Field in southside of Fayetteville operating highly weight restricted Metroliners, arriving with very pissed off salesmen from New york without their sample bags..What a mess that all was!
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:43 am

UAXDXer:

SkyWest will be operating these flights.
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:44 am

Ual777contrail:
My mistake. UA did actually pull out of LIT in the mid 90's and then restarted service in the late 90's with CRJ service only to ORD.


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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:50 am

I know American already serves Little Rock from ORD, but I think that LIT can support both airlines. I think if Wichita can support both airlines to ORD, than LIT certainly can. As for DEN, it could work...F9 is only bringing a couple of CR7s daily.
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NW7E7
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:14 am

Dont forget WN also flies to chicago. MDW of course.
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:38 am

Every vendor must have an office in Arkansas/Bentonville? *ROFLMAO* Gee, wonder how little Plastics Collective #62 in Dongxiao, China affords their office so they can sell Wal-Mart plastic dog-turds??? That statement is patently and 100% FALSE. Now yes, major vendors must make the trek to Bentonville just as they must for any major retailer with a headquarters out in the boondocks. Lots of vendors beat a trail to Lakeland, FL as well, home of Publix.

As for direct flights to NYC, it's not about Wally-world needing to get to NYC, it's about people in NYC needing to visit Wally-World. Most major businesses are either headquartered or have an office in NYC. The salespeople plying that route are the exact full fare corporate folks the airlines LOVE, so it's not likely to be a money-loser. Also, I would hazard a guess that either Wal-Mart or another entity in the area may be subsidizing the air service much as is done in RDU for AA's RDU-LGW service.

As for NYC vs. IAD, while IAD may have quite a few businesses headquartered there it's main draw is governmental and political. NYC has FAR more business activity hence far more potential traffic XNA-bound. I'm sure if Wal-Mart's lobbyists or big wheels need to get to DC they can very easily wheel out one of the corporate aircraft and fly private.
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:24 pm

LIT-IAD will come before XNA-IAD, for obvious reasons. But who knows!
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:31 pm

MAH4546:
You are from long ago in my respected users list... But where in hell do you get so much information and indepth analysis from aviation all over the world?

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RE: UA To Start ORD-XNA, DEN-XNA

Fri Sep 03, 2004 1:43 am

NW7E7 is right. I think LIT-IAD will come before XNA-IAD. LIT Has grown significantly in the last year and it would just make a great year better if UA came back!
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