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Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:16 pm

According to the USAToday(money section,08/31); US Airways is hoping to be the first US airline to offer services to Cuba from its newest hub (FLL) after Castro's demise. While jumpsitting to work, I have also encountered a few college students flying to Havana via MEX on Mexicana. I am not sure if they get some type of special permit to do this, or its legal as long as you get there via Mexico or Canada. This is 2004, not 1963, there should be direct service to Cuba from the US. Many of you don't have any interest in seeing Cuba, but many of us do.
 
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:27 pm

"US Airways is hoping to be the first US airline to offer services to Cuba...... ......This is 2004, not 1963, there should be direct service to Cuba from the US"

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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:48 pm

I think Castro will far outlast USAirways.
 
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:50 pm

Flaps I agree though I believe all the carriers are waiting for the demise of Castro to make a move to Cuba. I think at first Cuba will be hot though like anything it will fade and flights will be cut.
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:08 pm

Castro will probably out-live all of us...
But as posted above, unfortunately, USAir's future is as bright as a burnt light bulb.

As to operations to Cuba, remember the regime might stay in the family. brother Raul, which is a ding bat by any standards will hopefully not last long.
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:14 pm

Castro has been dead since the Bay of Pigs Invasion  Big grin
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:09 am

I am aware this is airliners, not politics.net. But I do believe Cuba has a lot potential once he is gone.
 
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:27 am

Many of you don't have any interest in seeing Cuba, but many of us do.

...so go see it then; it's not that difficult to do.





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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 2:09 am

Castro is a great leader. The highest literacy rate in the world practically, good health care. When he finally passes away, which will be a tragic day, his brother Raul, or one of his children, if he has any, will take over for him. The US still having a bone to pick with him is ridiculous, but then again, it is a good thing, Cuba is still unique, with the US interference, it may be like another Cancun.

-Copa

I respect your opinion but I totally disagree!! I am Cuban, lived there for 31 years, it is truth that not everything is bad down there, but I encourage you to go to Cuba and try to live like 99% of Cuban population lives, from outside it looks to pretty. Do you know that in a country that shouts out loud the wonders of their medical services a person with a heart attack had to be taken into a hospital on a bike because there was not rescue service or that daily activities are not possible if you don't have family outside the country that send you dollars or that security in a hotel tells you that you have to walk on the other side of the street just because you are Cuban? And those are not stories I heard, all of them had happened to me or to relatives that still live there. Cuba is a wonderful country, nice and warm, but don't tell me that Fidel is nice, because you haven't been there!!!!! You have no idea how hopeless is people lives there. So again go there and live like a Cuban just for a week, no dollars, no hotels, no rent- a car, and them talk!!!
 
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 2:10 am

Miamiair - you said....

"As to operations to Cuba, remember the regime might stay in the family. brother Raul, which is a ding bat by any standards will hopefully not last long"

Now coming from an American that really is a case of the kettle calling the pot black.
 
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 2:17 am

Peteinmiami,

Pete, compare the conditions in Cuba to Haiti. US carriers fly to Haiti, why not Cuba?
 
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 2:45 am

Copa, the US will not allow N/S service to Cuba because it is against the USPolicy against Cuba until Castro steps down or when Castro is deposed. Many Cuban-Americans in Miami support that theory and feel it should be enforced.
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 2:46 am

Bobnwa

I totally agree with you, I think one of the reasons Castro is still there is because of the embargo, he has a very strong reason to shift the blame for everything that hapens in Cuba on the embargo. I am against the embargo and against the travel restrictions. Why do I have to way three years to go and see my mother or be an outlaw and go thru Cancun? Why a goverment has to force me to do that?
 
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:04 am

Castro is not in power because of the embargo. He's in power because he's a communist. Communist rule does not allow elections. In a communist government you are in power basically until you die or until he decides to step down. Castro won't step down because he's a narcistic big-head who is love with his ego. If he was strong leader, he would allow free elections and let the people decide who should run the country. Then you would see a mad rush of US-based carriers chomping at the bit to get into HAV.
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:14 am

You can fly into Cuba from the Bahamas, Mexico, or any of the surrounding islands except P.R.. Cubana Air or Mexicana has flights into Havana from Cancun. Avg cost is bout 180 to 350 bucks depending on how the ticket agent feels.(kinda reminds me of negotiating for tickets with Middle Eastern Airways long ago...)

You can provide your US passport at the Cuban POE. They be glad to stamp a separate blank sheet of paper inserted in your passport. Once you leave Cuba, you may do whatever you please with the paper. I usually mailed mine back to home, rather than keep it on me to avoid problems should INS or customs search my bags on entry back into the US.

You may not legally use your credit cards in Cuba unless they are issued by a bank outside the US. Like banks in Canada or Bahamas, Bermuda, or the Cayman Islands. Take cash, mostly in small bills as US dollars are prized there. Use a money belt. Pickpockets exist here too, much as they always have. ALso, you may buy travelers checks in Mexico. Hotels are generally great and on on a par with Mexico hotels.

Rememeber to keep an open mind when going to Cuba. Put all of your preconceived notions aside while there.
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:25 am

I think US Airways would be in a long line of airlines applying for permission for flights to Cuba.

Doesn't the prize go to UAL? Don't they already have - dormant - authority to fly from Florida (FLL and MIA) to Cuba?

I believe they bought those rights from Pan Am.

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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:51 am

Those old PanAm rights are no good because of the US embargo.

The embargo is what has kept Castro in power all these last 43 years. Had we continued trade with Cuba, the communistas would have been absorbed into the woodwork long after the Russians had backed off. Castro would be nothing today had we continued trade with the Cuban people. It's easier to buy them out than to try to starve them into oblivion.
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:22 am

Actually, Pete, ive been to Cuba. Great country. Great leader. I am half-colombian. But the thing is, all the ex-refugees who moved to miami despise castro, but the ones that are still there love him. he is a god like figure to them. I saw that first hand. Whats the problem with Communism anyway? The way I see it, the ex-refugees had their money taken away by Castro and Co., which was a smart move in my opinion. But, I respect your views on it. Im not bashing anyone, just stating my opinion.

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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:29 am

Jetjack74 - you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the political situation in Cuba, typical of an American brainwashed by an ultra-right wing government. I have worked in Cuba several times, in the aviation industry, and I can assure you that every Cuban I came across believes Castro is a great leader. Given that Castro came to power as the result of a coup it makes sense that if there was significant resistance to his leadership he too would have been overthrown.

And remember that there are many people who think America's idea of democracy falls far short of what might be called ideal.
 
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:57 am

I think US Airways would be in a long line of airlines applying for permission for flights to Cuba.

Doesn't the prize go to UAL? Don't they already have - dormant - authority to fly from Florida (FLL and MIA) to Cuba?


American Airlines and Continental would probably get first dibs. They offer more service to more Cuban destinations than any other US airlines. United only flies MIA-HAV.

But the thing is, all the ex-refugees who moved to miami despise castro, but the ones that are still there love him. he is a god like figure to them. I saw that first hand.

That is just ridiculous. That is not true at all. I have family there, I've visited. They hate it, and would just love to leave, but they can't just pack up and move.

That's not to say there aren't people who love him. There certainly are, but just because somebody still lives in Cuba doesn't mean they love him. It many cases, it just means they can't find a way to leave.

With that being said, I do believe the US needs to stop being so arrogant and just let Cuba run themselves whichever way they wish to be ran, communist, socialist, whatever. Cuba is a beautiful place, and it is unfortunate most Americans will never be able to see how beautiful it is.

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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:16 am

StearmanNut:

i am aware of the embargo, and, as I said, the old Pan Am rights are dormant.

However, they are rights that UAL possesses, and, when the embargo is eventually lifted, they presumably become current again.

Just as many Miami Cubans will try to claim their old property in Cuba once Castro dies/leaves/goes.

Similarly, DAL has some permanent rights to flights to Mexico which they got when they aqcuired Western.

DAL does not use (all) those rights, but they are still valid - Delta could use them.

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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:14 am

I heard from a passenger that CO offers charters to Havana during the holidays only. The tickets are expensive and hard to get. Not sure about AE going there.
 
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:53 am

Ok Trident2e thinks he's the spokesperson for Cuba. Well let me break his argument down and we'll see who is brainwashed

"Jetjack74 - you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the political situation in Cuba, typical of an American brainwashed by an ultra-right wing government."

Hrmmm Ultra-right wing. Like you would know what that is. It is you that has little no concept of political structure. The US government is far from ultra-right wing, it is centrist.

" I have worked in Cuba several times, in the aviation industry, and I can assure you that every Cuban I came across believes Castro is a great leader."

I'm sure that huge mural of Castro on everystreet corner has something to do with such love this esteemed leader. I've been to Cuba as well and many of the people I know here and in Cuba do not like him. They would love to have him gone. I question whether you have actually been there, but i'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

"Given that Castro came to power as the result of a coup it makes sense that if there was significant resistance to his leadership he too would have been overthrown."

But really, popular leaders are elected not forced upon by a few power-hungry thugs. Cuba is a socialist police-state. And i'm sure the Iranians love their leaders as well

"And remember that there are many people who think America's idea of democracy falls far short of what might be called ideal."

Oh and how right you are, They are called communists, facists. Some of those people sympathize for Saddam Hussein.

In closing, I am from a nation that was raped by Apartied. Living. and growing up in South Africa was no picnic. Being white, anglo/saxon made no difference, we were still harassed. Wise up sir, Cuba would gladly trade there political situation for what we have here in th US. Thank you
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:25 am

He's in power because he's a communist

Castro is a dictator. Communism is a type of goverenment system, just like democracy.

Personally, my opinions are, Castro will outlast US Airways so they might as well not bother eyeing Cuba off. The trade embargo on Cuba has gone on far to long and its limiting the ability of Cuba expanding its economy and also stop US Based carriers from tapping a potential market without having to go via Canada or Mexico.
 
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:34 am

I have worked in Cuba several times, in the aviation industry, and I can assure you that every Cuban I came across believes Castro is a great leader.

Hmm...... why do we hear of 30 Cubans on a ship built for 7 found in the Florida Straits every other day? Probably (Not "THEY ARE") because they want to get away from Castro and his facist regime.

US Airways is hoping to be the first US airline to offer services to Cuba from its newest hub (FLL) after Castro's demise.

US has a lot bigger problems than flying to Cuba. Maybe if they weren't on life-support and people wondering if your going to die in the next week or so, then they could actually look at this. Maybe they should try to figure out how to stay afloat before worrying about when Castro is going to croak.
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:38 am

Bill142, The opposing idea to Communism is Capitalism. Communism and dictator go hand in hand. It makes no difference. This idea that Castro is some kind of statesman is ridiculous.
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:14 am

Castro is a great leader. I have been to Cuba many times, and can say that many people adore him, while others do not. But the reason is that the economic situation there is bad BECAUSE OF THE EMBARGO! That is why many people want him to step down, so that the tyrannical US embargo can be lifted.

I personally have to say that I respect the Cuban government for learning to survive without the largest and richest nation in the world. Many other caribbean nations are trying very hard to depend less on the US now, and Cuba is a great example. They have adapted to hardships imposed upon them by other countries.

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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:18 am

Well Fidel Outlasted
Pan Am
National
Braniff international
Delta C&S
and
Eastern

to name just a few, I suspect he will even outlast little old US Airways.
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:31 pm

jetjack74: your right, I had a bit of a memory blank at the time.
 
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:57 pm

Well my intent was not to spread my political views, but I have refute an argument when fact are distorted. I don't mean you Bill, but some of the others.
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:25 pm

I lived under communist rules for twenty something years. It wasn't as bad as Cuba, still...
So my opinion is:
1. Castro can outlive any airline (either himself or thru any kind of successor)
2. US politics is part of Castro's success. "Why?", one may ask. I could live in my native Poland until today, if it weren't for people who experienced "worse" political and economical system first hand. As long as Cubans are kept away from outside world (which is Castro's fault) and outside world is kept away from Cubans (this is where US plays its role), there will be many Cubans in a political and/or economical vacuum. They will just don't know any better.
As much as I think most Cubans have reasons to be against Castro, many of them may not even realize that. My parents were telling me about Eastern Europe in 1950's and 1960's and it sounds like a horror. But we were behind the Iron Curtain. And neither side was pulling it down.
Anyway, if it weren't for US politics, US airlines could benefit from flying MIA-HAV-MIA or whatever other stretch they find profitable. But politics takes precedence over economy. As long as this is the case, there will be Cubas, Vietnams and other "peace loving" nations that can not do much themselves but a lot can be done to "them".
 
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:55 pm

I'm sure Castro could even Southwest... Nuts  Big grin
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:56 pm

heard from a passenger that CO offers charters to Havana during the holidays only.

CO offers year-round service from Miami to Havana, Camaguey and Cienfuegos. I believe they ended JFK-HAV service they used to operate.

The tickets are expensive and hard to get.

They are not expensive at all. They are set by the government. At last time I checked, it was aboput $260. Not sure if that has gone up.

Not sure about AE going there.

American Eagle is the largest US air carrier to Cuba, with frequent flights from Miami to Havana, Camaguey, Cienfuegos, Holguin, Santiago de Cuba, Varadero, and a few other destinations.
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 2:38 pm

Just what USAir needs to be thinking about at this time!

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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:18 pm

Jetjack74 - your responses to my post simply reinforce my point that you have no understanding of global politics. But coming from a country where the President's friends and family count the votes, I suppose you can be forgiven.
 
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:37 pm

Jetjack74 - and reinforcing your point by telling you grew up in South Africa isn't convincing either, even if you only spoke English and not Afrikaans, every white person over 8 there knew how to spell "apartheid" (not apartied).
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:43 pm

of course people in cuba say that castro is a great leader, those who dont are jailed.

18 March 2003 26 independent journalists and 49 dissidents were arrested and the following month after 3 day trials they were sentenced to 14 to 27 years in jail. Which means 75 people wanting wanting basic freedoms are jailed with a toal sentence of 1450 years in jail, similar freedom. It is these freedoms that allow you and me to participate in this forum, something that we take for granted. It is not a question of politics, it is a question of quintessential human rights.

I believe that US embargo has been counter productive and has not allowed cubans to see what good western countries in particular the USA has to offer, but only the bad. Economic sanctions hurt the people and reinforce Castro's strong hold and the people.

Although there are positive aspects such a healthcare and education system that works there shouldn't be choice between freedom and healthy and educated life.

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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:44 pm

So US waits for castro's casket while ignore they're own problems...what a great recovery...time to go US
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:07 pm

Miamiair - you said....

"As to operations to Cuba, remember the regime might stay in the family. brother Raul, which is a ding bat by any standards will hopefully not last long"

Now coming from an American that really is a case of the kettle calling the pot black

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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Fri Sep 03, 2004 1:20 am

English and not Afrikaans, every white person over 8 there knew how to spell "apartheid" (not apartied).

MEA-707, Sorry if I offended the motherland, but ever hear of a typographical error? For your benefit, I will proof-read every single one of my responses. But I must ask, what's the "8" there for in your response.?

your responses to my post simply reinforce my point that you have no understanding of global politics. But coming from a country where the President's friends and family count the votes, I suppose you can be forgiven.

What cringent criticism. Move aside Voltaire, There's a new kid in town. This man, this intellect. His words of wisdom, this man Trident2e. One day, where he may join the pantheon of the immortals........, and with any luck, it'll be someday soon.


Jcded- Well stated. The sanctions only hurt the people. Castro and his cronies are still living the high-life, while the people suffer in the streets

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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:13 am

Jetjack74 - thanks for the compliments, my intellect gets recognition at last. You really shouldn't have.
 
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:35 am

Sorry did I miss a page

Castro would welcome any US airline to Havana current scheduled flights are banned not by the Cubans but by the US embargo.

Heard that it is a beautiful country can't wait to Visit (Cuba that is)
 
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:55 am

Well Trident2e, considering your talking points thrown in my direction, your quest for self validation for recognition of intellect.........., it's not saying very much. This argument has nose-dived.
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Fri Sep 03, 2004 4:07 am

Actually, Castro is waiting for USAirways demise.
 
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RE: Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?

Fri Sep 03, 2004 4:14 am

Pretty much the case.
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