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BA Flight Loads PHX-LHR?

Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:15 pm

I'm flying on BA288 PHX-LHR on Sunday 5th of Sept. Does anyone have access to the loads (available seats). We are trying to non rev on this flight...Thanks!
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radelow
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RE: BA Flight Loads PHX-LHR?

Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:18 pm

Well I am flying this flight in November but I stopped by last Wednesday while waiting for a WN flight. The flight was absolutely booked (Overbooked in fact according to the gate girl). So booked they wouldn't even let me relax in the Lounge (I am a upper Exec. Club member).

Summer is ending and tourists are heading back home... Good luck on getting a seat!!!!

Mark

CORRECTION: It was Tuesday not Wednesday.

[Edited 2004-09-03 07:36:52]
 
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RE: BA Flight Loads PHX-LHR?

Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:24 pm

Well I am flying this flight in November but I stopped by last Wednesday while waiting for a WN flight. The flight was absolutely booked

The flight couldn't have been booked because it doesn't operate on Wednesdays.

British Airways' loads to Phoenix are supposedly quite good. After all, they do use the 744s on the route, and it is the city's only European non-stop connection.
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RE: BA Flight Loads PHX-LHR?

Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:03 pm

MAH4546,

Bravo! BA 289/288 is a "no-op" flight on Wednesday LHR-PHX-LHR. However, Radelow may have checked BA Passenger Booking Totals @ the BA Ticket Counter? I have seen a few BA Agents @ the Ticket Counter on Wednesday, but not @ Gate B-25. I am friends, with a few AWA co-workers, who work the BA Ground Ops contract here @ PHX.

By the way, AWA's Ground Ops contract with BA @ PHX will end on September 17, 2004. ServisAir will handle the Ground Ops contract from that point on. The AWA & BA code-share will not be affected. For the BA to AWA or AWA to BA connecting passengers, heads-up! Since we will not offer "tail to tail" baggage transfers from BA-AWA & AWA-BA, there will be a lot of miss-connecting bags. Currently, we pick-up inbound bags for transfer to BA 288 from inbound AWA flights @ the arrival gate or "tail." We also transfer inbound BA 289 bags to AWA outbound flights (after US Customs/TSA screening) @ the departure gate or "tail." I assume our "conx-runners" will have to take over that procedure, because ServisAir doesn't do that for AeroMexico flights & never did that for Lufthansa, when it was here FRA-PHX-FRA.

Just a little heads-up

Tom
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radelow
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RE: BA Flight Loads PHX-LHR?

Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:13 pm

No I was there on Tuesday. Had to go back to my WN booking confirmation (it's been a long long week). I asked the gate attendant what the load was and she said full.

Little tidbit of info...there were a lot of wheelchairs around, according to the gate attendat 14 people on the plane needed assistance... and that's a TYPICAL number for a 744. Yowzas!

Yokohama1970: I am connecting to WN does that mean I need to pick up my bags before checking in for my Southwest flight?

Mark

[Edited 2004-09-03 08:17:46]
 
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RE: BA Flight Loads PHX-LHR?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:18 am

Mark

If you arrive on SWA in PHX & connect to BA 288, yes you will need to pick up your bags on baggage carousels 2, 4 & 6 @ Terminal 4 PHX. Take the East elevators (past carousel 5/6) to level 2 (Ticket Counters) & check-in @ the BA ticket Counter.

If you arrive on BA 289 & connect to SWA, then you will need to clear US Customs & TSA screening. Good thing is, you are now able to take your bags with you. The City of Phoenix had a new walkway built last summer. Since you will exit US Customs & proceed through the new International people mover & elevators, you will exit into Terminal 4 & endure another TSA screening. You may as well take your bags & use the elevator to proceed to level 2 (Ticket Counters) & check-in with SWA.

Or if you are connecting to SWA, you may take your bags & gate check them with SWA. They have self-service check-in terminals before TSA Checkpoint C, so you may check yourself in & clear TSA screening & proceed to the gate. If your bags are large or huge, they won't fit through the CTX (x-ray) machines. Are you flying positive space or non-rev?

SWA uses baggage carousels 2, 4, & 6 on level 1 @ Terminal 4.

AWA uses carousels 1, 3, & 5 on level 1 @ Terminal 4.

http://phoenix.gov/AVIATION/support_content/feb04%20international%20brochure.pdf

http://phoenix.gov/AVIATION/maps_dir/terminals.html#TopOfPage

Tom

Sorry for the confusion, but the City of Phoenix is slowly improving International travel into & out of Sky Harbor. Plus, you will be making an inter-airline connection & SWA doesn't do any inter-airline transfers.
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RE: BA Flight Loads PHX-LHR?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:41 am

While the flight has been upgraded to the 744, a BA insider some time ago on this board said it has had problems in the past of generating necessary revenue. I guess it does well enough however, because the 3 he mentioned are all still around (DTW, BWI, PHX).
 
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RE: BA Flight Loads PHX-LHR?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:05 am

When BA first went to PHX, they had an SAN tag on to the flight. They flew this with 744 and had crazy infrastructure issues at SAN. They then moved both cities to Non-stop with 777s. They have since dropped SAN (for now) and upgraded to 744 in PHX because they seem to fill the hell out of that flight.
Why did LH drop the PHX flight? I flew on it twice and the flight was filled to the brim (on really uncomfortable A342s). Is it because they sold a lot of the tickets through SkyAuction?
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radelow
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RE: BA Flight Loads PHX-LHR?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 8:07 am

I still wonder if they are gonna keep it as a 747 this winter. Were they using the 744 last winter or was it still the 777 at that point?

Mark

 
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RE: BA Flight Loads PHX-LHR?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 8:18 am

I'm betting they keep the 747 for Speedbird 287 and 288, although I'd like to see the 777 more often.
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RE: BA Flight Loads PHX-LHR?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 8:25 am

LambertMan...that might have been me who stated those cities as being weak performers. They still are! The 744 in PHX does not indicate that the flight is doing well. There is very little premium demand for each of the cities you listed. You can also add YYZ to that list as well!

The 744 will remain at PHX for the winter season.
 
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RE: BA Flight Loads PHX-LHR?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 8:37 am

Flight looks alright, actually. Fairly busy but showing around 24 left in coach and a total of around 15 between Club and First.

There are a number of people currently listed for the flight, but certainly nowhere near those numbers quoted above.

Best of luck, and enjoy the ride.
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RE: BA Flight Loads PHX-LHR?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 9:17 am

Crosschecked...from which site can u check like u did the exact status of flights like the one u mentiond for BA having 24 empty seats in Coach and approx 15 in F-J classes.
 
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RE: BA Flight Loads PHX-LHR?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:23 am

It was a 777 in the winter, as the switch to the 744 was made just before the summer season. Someone did the math in here and even w/o a Wednesday flight there are more seats per week with the 744, than the 777.

As has been beat to death here, PHX is just not a premium market. The loss of Lufthansa may have been related to that, and once the state of AZ had closed its business office in Germany it seemed to indicate that there just was no business interest in keeping the flight. LTU used to operate a weekly DUS-PHX flight before LH.
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RE: BA Flight Loads PHX-LHR?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:05 am

CrossChecked:

It's always nice to help out a fellow colleague but please don't post that kind of information for eveyone to see. Please use a private e-mail instead.

I know it's not my place to tell someone else what to do (or not do), but ..... flight loads are considered internal information. I am assuming that since you are listed as Cabin Crew, you got the loads from the staff intranet. If BA staff post this kind of information, BA will remove the exact loads and adopt America West's approach by using very good, good, bad, etc for staff listing.


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radelow
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RE: BA Flight Loads PHX-LHR?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:23 am

CrossChecked:

Could you tell me what the current load is on the Nov. 23rd flight from PHX>LHR. I am flying on that flight and the only Club seats left upstairs (according to the BA site) are the ones right in the front. I am hoping to change that as it gets closer but knowing the load might help. Thanks!

Mark
 
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RE: BA Flight Loads PHX-LHR?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:56 pm

BA001...I'm glad you said something regarding actual booked loads.