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Clever Economy Seating Idea

Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:39 pm
New economy class idea from Thomson Solutions (on

see the above for a staggered seating concept for economy seats that would improve privacy and add space... clever!

I really like the idea of this – I had thought of a similar idea myself. I guess you might lose a little space at the end of each cabin, but other than that it seems a good innovation. Why has no airline ever introduced something like this? It would surely give you more elbow space, which would be a boon on long-haul flights!
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RE: Clever Economy Seating Idea

Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:45 pm

poor layout for quick evacuations

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RE: Clever Economy Seating Idea

Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:57 pm

Yes, I saw that. They make no mention whatsoever of the scenario of the window seat occupant getting past the aisle seat occupant - especially if the aisle seat in front is reclined. It is bad enough with even 34" of seat pitch - now you'd have to negotiate a much narrower gap between the longitudinal pairs of seats.

If indeed it was a good idea, then airlines would have implemented it.

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RE: Clever Economy Seating Idea

Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:59 pm

Never mind evacuations - how does the guy at the window actually get out to go to the loo ? I don't know if this will work - your legs have to go somewhere, and with this layout, it seems the armrest of the next seat along will be digging into your thigh. Can't see it happening, meself.
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RE: Clever Economy Seating Idea

Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:01 pm

That's fair - hadn't thought of that....
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RE: Clever Economy Seating Idea

Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:26 pm

This has been discussed a few times.

While it is an interesting concept, it would simply not work for the reasons stated and many more. The closest thing to this idea is how a few airlines (BA and VS come to mind) stagger First Class and Business Class seats, which works because there is a lot of room to begin with.

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RE: Clever Economy Seating Idea

Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:41 am

The idea is to allow aisle pax better egress by creating a mini aisle along the windows. (moving the row away from the window.)
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RE: Clever Economy Seating Idea

Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:54 am

Imagine a person sitting in one of the seats. The aisle seat, for the sake of argument. Their legs block the passage from the middle and window seat to the aisle, beacuse the middle seat in front is set back. Made worse if someone reclines - dangerous in evacuations.

What I feel a realistic solution will soon be is to add a third aisle and widen aircraft... 2-3-3-2 anyone?
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RE: Clever Economy Seating Idea

Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:04 am

A wider aircraft gives other problems, mainly in the form of additional drag. The sweet spot of length/width ratio is pretty big, but not that big..
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RE: Clever Economy Seating Idea

Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:57 am

I think everyone is looking at the sketches incorrectly. Judging from the coloured drawings, it looks to me everyone would be facing the aisle, on a 45 degree angle towards the aisle, so you would basically stand up and walk forward. Almost like the new BA first class suites. You shouldnt have to worry about reclined seats in an evcuation as all seat backs would be upright for take off / landing, emergency or not. Gimmie a break, do you think the current setup doesnt hinder your ability to evacuate??

As for the other 'views', they show the seats staggered but not angled toward the aisle. Properly angled, each passenger would have clear access to the aisle. Also, the images only show one seat bank and an aisle, with the aisle being at the top of the image - of course nobody is going to be blocked in. They're trying to create a more comfortable seat and allow passengers to move in and out without bother other seat mates - blocking in the window passenger would defeat what theyre trying to accomplish. So again if you angle each seat towards the aisle (towards the top of the drawing, it makes sense and I think its an very good idea and would be very popular and comfortable...
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RE: Clever Economy Seating Idea

Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:56 pm

Hi JetMARC, I don't think the layout is intended to be angled towards the aisle- if you click into the thompson website, there are some plan views of a whole economy section, and all the seats faces foward. I also saw some pamphlets given to airlines for evaluation, and it also shows all seats facing forward.
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RE: Clever Economy Seating Idea

Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:43 pm

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Interesting; However, several of the front rows should be left alone for the exponential increase of wheelchair and other physically challenged passengers that fly our friendly sky's. And don't forget passengers requiring asile chairs.

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