aeroc
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Where Do The Planes Go?

Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:19 pm

During the event like Frances where do all the aircraft go that were scheduled to make trips there? Do they add ferry flights to get everyone out of Florida or just park them in the hubs and outstations? Any insight would be appreciated.....
 
OPNLguy
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RE: Where Do The Planes Go?

Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:33 pm

What's commonly done, although not necessarily at every airline, is that the aircraft gets ferried out to the aircraft's -2nd- scheduled destination for the following day. For example, take a flight that's supposed to fly into FLL and spend the night. In the morning, the aircraft is supposed to go FLL-BNA on the first flight of its day. When you get into FLL that night, you turn around and ferry to BNA that night. In the morning, the aircraft is still on its scheduled routing, just starting from BNA instead of FLL, and can fly the rest of its schedule (except for the FLL-BNA portion, which got cancelled).
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ua777222
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RE: Where Do The Planes Go?

Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:35 pm

I think they just leave the a/c at the gates or stands. Maybe in the hangers if they need to be there. Why do you think airlines have insurance? I would cost the airlines a lot of $$ to move all the a/c out of the way. And seeing how they aren't forecasters they don't know when to go and where to go. And if they were they would, to be on the safe side, leave before it even hit.

After it's over the airline has to tell all the passengers to wait a day so they can ferry all the a/c that were first moved back to where they were. And even in a hurricane the airlines are still paying for the gate so it would cost more to get another one at another airport.

I think the airlines will take the risk to just leave them where normal operations would have them be. And if it becomes an issue they have coverage and will get it fixed. And you have to think about it. If an a/c, this huge peace of metal, can get messed up in a hurricane I don't think cars and houses will do too well, so I think the last thing someone would do is go on their vacation or business trip. So if the people don't fly the a/c don't fly. And if the people do fly it can't be so bad.

Just a bit of mixed matt logic (not always logical). Got to get to school but have a great day AERoc!

Thanks again.

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RE: Where Do The Planes Go?

Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:42 pm

Ok so I was winging it but I think OPNLguy got it dead on.

Thanks!

Thanks again OPNLguy!

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RE: Where Do The Planes Go?

Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:44 pm

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1725382/


I don't think they do leave them there.... see the above thread. Sure they have insurance, but your premium would rise next year  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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nwa330tony
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RE: Where Do The Planes Go?

Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:51 pm

opnl hit it right on if you look up what WN did during the last florida hurricane you see this action in motion!
 
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RE: Where Do The Planes Go?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:01 am

The thing about insurance is that it's for the unforeseen events that crop up. Additionally, the written agreements almost always have that pesky lawyer-language that says something to the effect that you (the insured) have to take reasonable precautions in protecting your property against known threats.

In this day and age, with satellites and radar, it's pretty hard for a hurricane to sneak up on you undetected, so you can't claim that you "didn't know" the hurricane wasn't out there bearing down on your airport/aircraft. Any airline that -didn't- move an aircraft out a hurricane's path (using the logic that "Oh, insurance will pay for it") is in for a costly surprise.

Accordingly, the costs associated with ferrying an aircraft (or multiple aircraft) out of harm's way pale in comparision to what one would spend replacing those aircraft, sans insurance...

[Edited 2004-09-03 17:03:11]
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JayDavis
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RE: Where Do The Planes Go?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:14 am

I know for certain that WestJet has a 737 at DFW right now as they brought it over from MCO yesterday. Didn't get to see it land but my friends did.


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RE: Where Do The Planes Go?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:05 am

Basically anything that is airworthy is moved from harm's way. I'm sure FLL (currently closed) is a ghosttown of an airport right now, at least in terms of aircraft. I'm sure MIA and PBI will be the same way.

It only makes sense, although I'm not sure why FLL closed at 10AM today. The latest predictions on Hurricane Frances are for it to hit tomorrow afternoon.
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RE: Where Do The Planes Go?

Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:12 am

The trigger isn't when the eye itself comes ashore--it's when the winds ahead of the storm will create crosswinds in excess of aircraft capabilities.

That's usually about 30 knot's worth, and MIA, FLL, and PBI were all forecast to reach that by mid-day today, which is why everyone "led" the forecast by a few hours and pulled the plug on their operations early.

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RE: Where Do The Planes Go?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 3:51 am

I know for certain that WestJet has a 737 at DFW right now as they brought it over from MCO yesterday. Didn't get to see it land but my friends did.

It was in MCO for the LiveTV installation..... a 737-700.
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RE: Where Do The Planes Go?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:10 am

I don't see the logic of an airline leaving their aircraft in harms way. Think about it, if your an airline exec, would you want your aircraft sitting at an airport where you have a major hurricane barreling down on it, exposed to the elements? Airports are huge, wide open spaces where the straight-line winds have a chance to pick up speed and remember also, jets are aerodynamic. The jets themselves don't have to be charging down the runway to get airborne. With the meteorologists reporting winds well above 100mph, planes can be moved or lifted easily. I've seen it first hand in St. Thomas. Owners who have left their planes at the airport during such storms have often come back to see their planes flipped, and tossed aside like toys. During heavy thunderstorms at DFW, it is highly encouraged to double chock the tires of the AA jets, just so there isn't any movement. I think the cost of flying the planes to a nearby, standby airport is far more cheaper than having it in the maintenance hangers for weeks eating up money, not making it.
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RE: Where Do The Planes Go?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:14 am

I know that American Eagle in Miami and in San Juan has procedures in place to fly the ATRs out of harm's way. Volunteer crews take the aircraft and get a spending allowance while waiting out the storm.

They normally take the San Juan ATRs to Aruba.
 
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RE: Where Do The Planes Go?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:17 am

We have most of American Eagles ATR fleet sitting here in Nashville.
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RE: Where Do The Planes Go?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:03 am

As of right now, we have a whole fleet of Baby Boeings and Mad Dogs sitting over by the Northwest Hangar in ATL. They are over there due to the hurricane in FL and its the only open space around the airport. Any other planes have been re-scheduled for other trips that may be necessary. Any airplanes that did not have a trip or were not re-routed are just taking up empty gate space and probably getting maintenance touch-ups in the meantime.
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RE: Where Do The Planes Go?

Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:09 am

Gulfstream moved a lot to HSV according to these pics:


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