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Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:15 am

If this has been asked before, please forgive me. Do any of you know whether or not there are any 747's that PAA had are still flying anywhere (I know there was talk at one time that there was the one that had been turned into a restaurant in Japan)?
 
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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:22 am

Evergreen International has at least one former Pan Am 747 in use. It visited MSY a few months back.
 
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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:28 pm

UPS has a few, Polar Air may have one or two.
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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:22 pm

The airplane I work on, General Electric's engine testbed is now the oldest flying. It was N744PA at one time, the 25th off the line and was the 16th 747 for Pan Am.
 
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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:44 pm

This is the list of reg numbers of former Pan Am 747's that I could find that are listed as "current" - not sure if they're all actually flying right now but I think most are. Obviously most are converted to cargo use. The one I find most interesting is the former Braniff 747SP, which is still in use by the Oman government. Anyway, here's the list:

Tower Air: N617FF originally N743PA

UPS: N681UP originally N771PA
UPS: N682UP originally N654PA
UPS: N683UP originally N658PA
UPS: N677UP was N901PA (originally AA N9676)

Kalitta Air: N716CK originally N4703U (this was originally a United 747, later owned by Pan Am under the same reg?)
Kalitta Air: N712CK originally N4704U (same as above)

Evergreen International: N481EV was N902PA (originally Delta N9896)
Evergreen International: N479EV was N725PA (originally Delta N9898)
Evergreen International: N480EV originally N653PA
Evergreen International: N471EV was N535PA (originally World Airways N747WA)
Evergreen International: N485EV was N728PA (originally Singapore 9V-SIA)
Evergreen International: N482EV was N729PA (originally Singapore 9V-SIB)
Evergreen International: N486EV was N730PA (originally Singapore 9V-SQC)

Atlas Air: N808MC was N726PA (originally Singapore 9V-SQD)

Northeast Airlines: 3D-NEF was N724PA (originally Singapore 9V-SQF)

Qatar Government: VP-BAT originally N539PA

Bahrain Government: A9C-HMH originally N540PA

Japan Airlines: JA8165 originally N904PA
Japan Airlines: JA8160 originally N905PA

Oman Government: A4O-SP was N529PA (originally one of Braniff's 747SP's, N606BN)

That should be it. Most of these planes took a pretty circuitous path getting where they are now, but JAL's planes, for example, had only one previous owner - Pan Am. Those former Singapore planes are an interesting case because they mostly came off the line one after another, went through several owners each but at most points of their lifespans were owned by the same airline. They're like a family that stays together forever. I'm sure they were sold as a set and it was just coincidence that they were sold as part of the same set to every airline that bought them...

UPS and Kalitta own the oldest Pan Am 747's. N681UP was delivered to Pan Am in 1970! (Edit: Whoops, missed the GE testbed - it's listed as "stored" in the spreadsheet I'm looking at. UPS still has the oldest one flying in commercial service.)

Four or five Pan Am 747's have unfortunately been written off in accidents.

[Edited 2004-09-08 06:54:45]
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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:59 pm

A restraunt? That must be something
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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:04 pm

I've noticed looking through some data that many of PanAm 747's were ill-fated over the years.

I'll try to come back with some of them.

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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:16 pm

Where do you guys get this data? Airliner call tags and such?

Oh BTW, I saw a PanAm jet taking off from Logan the other day. It was quite the site to see. However, I thought they only fly from Beford MA and NH?
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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:31 pm

Where do you guys get this data? Airliner call tags and such?

I have a spreadsheet that I got off some site somewhere that lists all of the 747's ever built, who all of their owners were, and what their fates have been. I don't know where I got it but I'm sure some of the guys around here know that site. I've looked for it again but can't find it.

Someone else was saying he was going to list the write-offs - I've got ya beat  Smile

N736PA - this was the aircraft involved in the Tenerife disaster.
N738PA - damaged on landing, written-off (no fatalities)
N739PA - bombed over Lockerbie
N752PA - hijacked and bombed on the ground (no fatalities)

Looks like that's it. Seems like a lot for one airline. I don't think any other airline has lost more than four 747's, but of course Pan Am was a launch customer for it so was operating them from the beginning. None of Pan Am's 747's have been written off after being sold, though.
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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:40 pm

9/6/70: PanAm 747-121, N752PA destroyed on ground by terrorist at Cairo, Egypt.

3/27/77: PanAm 747-121, N736PA collided on rwy with KLM 747 in Tenerife. 335 of 396 on board killed.........all 248 died on the KLM 747.

9/6/86: PanAm 747-121, N752PA hijacked at Karachi............16 hour stand-off until APU failed. Ensuing attack led to 21 of 375 people killed by gunfire and grenades. Aircraft w/o by PanAm.

12/21/98: PanAm 747-121, N739PA, infamous Flight #103 destroyed in air over Lockerbie, Scotland by terrorist bomb. 259 plus 11 on ground killed.

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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:42 pm

ya got me spacecadet.

First thing I also thought when I heard PanAm 747's

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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:42 pm

Yikes, looks like some of my data was a little off. I didn't mean to minimize any of the fatalities in the Karachi hijacking - my spreadsheet said "0 (0)".

Thanks for posting the correct data for that.
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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:43 pm

Sorry I listed the Karachi incident as N752PA.................should be N738PA.
 
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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:52 pm

>>Where do you guys get this data? Airliner call tags and such?<<

You can download spreadsheets from here: http://www.airlinerlist.com/

These lists seemed to get updated monthly.

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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:08 am

Slightly off topic here, but are the 2 -221s that PA had, still with JAL as freighters? If memory serves me correctly, there were 33 -121s & just 2 -221s for Pan Am. Of course PA did picked up alot of 2nd-tier 747s as well. Regards.
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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:44 am

What about the shuttle transporter? I know the original was an AA bird, but wasn't the second ex-PA?
 
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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 4:41 am

Boy, you guys sure bring back a lot of memories for me, some great and others (103) not so good. To know that I actually worked on each and every PanAm 747 was really an experience that I won't soon forget.

Thanks,
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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 4:46 am

Thanks for the websites gents! Grea stuff
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RE: Pan Am 747's-are Any Still Flying?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:34 am

Slightly off topic here, but are the 2 -221s that PA had, still with JAL as freighters?

Yep, those are the 2 JAL planes I listed.

Pics here, both planes in PA livery and JAL livery:


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Both of these planes were apparently Pan Am Cargo from the start (in other words, never passenger planes), as one of the pics I found of N905PA says it was "brand new" when the pic was taken.

UPS has left the passenger windows in at least some of its former Pan Am 747's, which is sort of interesting to see:


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