jfkaua
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Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:53 am

Hey, I know schools have been discussed on here over and over, and I have read them all... I am now in my Junior year and I am rather sure I want to go into the aviation field. The two main schools I was looking at was flight safety academy and embry riddle. On my SAT'S I am expecting around 1300-1400 on the current one and around 2100 on the new one. For total tuition my parents have told me I have around 80,000-90,000. I know that the field doesn't start out with high pay and that doesn't really bother me much as long as I can earn a decent amount after ten years (40-50k maybe?) I was wondering what exactly are the differences between these two schools... What are the requirements, tuitions, advantages, and disadvantages of each of them and are their any others I should be looking at? Also how big are each of these schools and what are the campus's like? Thanks for your help
 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:07 am

One is actually a college. The other is not.

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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:08 am

embry riddle is the college... correct?
 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Rid

Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:16 am

Well for 80-90K I wouldnt look into Expensive Embry Riddle, The University of North Dakota has a better program, and more links to Airlines.

 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Rid

Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:23 am

I believe that Flight Safety offers much more Jet training than other schools. They train a significant number of corporate pilots (type-rating central!) I didn't even realize they had an introductory program.

Transition training to jets may be easier with them, as a student would be somewhat familiar with the teaching methods (I suppose), but that's mere speculation on my part.

[Edited 2004-09-08 04:26:40]
 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:24 am

how much is embry riddle's tuition? i read around 18,000-20,000
 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Rid

Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:36 am

Embry Tuition a year is $21,530 plus student fees of another $715, plus books, figure about $1000 a year. Plus Room and boared of $3190. So year before flight costs is $25,435 X 4= $101,740 for 4 years, plus flight costs estimated at $10,000 a year is another 40,000 so your total for 4 years at Embry would be estimated at $141,740, where at UND your looking around 80-90K.

As for admissions, UND requires a HS GPA of 2.5 and an ACT score of 22 I forget what SAT equivelent is, but ACT is a better test to take. UND has something like 19,000 students, plays Division 1-A ice hockey which is usually ranked in the top 5 in the nation, and plays regular Division 2 sports. ERAU has no sports and really no activities. UND has a large and very nice looking campus, while I cant speak for ERAU. I would highly suggest a Campus visit to UND in Grand Forks, keep in mind NW is the only one to fly there, and sometimes, can be a bit pricey, if it is try Fargo, a 1hr drive down the road, wont be too much better, but UA Express is also there. Sometimes however GFK is cheaper then Fargo. Disadvantage, is its cold at UND, however, you will have plenty of opportunity to fly there, as Embry weather is warm, however, you can see what kind of things may happen when hurricanes hit the Daytona Beach area. My suggestion is UND. Also I dont think you will have 10 years to pay off students loans, i think normally its about 5 years.

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Err sorry, for some reason it wouldnt actively link the website for UND, for the main school and all the info you need its www.und.edu and for the aviation department its www.aero.und.edu

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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:54 am

Advantages to ERAU: lots of fun, at least at Daytona.
Disadvantage to UND: its North Dakota. What the f is there to do in north dakota.

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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:56 am

There is more than just ERAU and UND when it comes to schools that have aviation programs. And neither place is especially cheap either. Not to mention neither one has an outstanding academic reputation as well.

Take your time and research ALL of your options... including going to a non-aviation oriented school and pursuing your flight training in your free-time. And try to look at as many schools that offer aviation programs as well. A few of them are at universities that have a pretty good rep as well.

Seeing that you are in NYS may I suggest SUNY Farmingdale. Helluva lot cheaper than ERAU and UND and they have an aviation program.
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:08 pm

You can get into ERAU with an SAT of a little over 1000. It depends what you are going for. Avaition; Professional Pilot is a little higher but you'll have no problem. I was accepted with an 1150.
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Rid

Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:09 pm

UND is a University its a Liberal Arts University with a spectacular flying program, your more likely to get hired going to UND or ERAU then any other schools.
 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:26 pm

How in hell does one get 2100 on the SAT? I thought the max was 1600? BTW, are you trying to impress us with your score and tuition money? You'd think people would be a little modest about things, nowadays... But anyway...

I'm still sick and tired of hearing these ERAU bashing... I sense some jealousy.

As for ERAUs tuition, it's all worth it. The people are always there to cut corners and help you succeed. After all, ERAU wants to and does produce the best professionals. My tuition was originally $28,000 (as an BSAE), but after, it was $19,000 with all the same things(classes, dorms, etc...) And I had to submit my first SAT score of 850 (I'm seriously not kidding...), and I still got accepted. But hell, I had 1250 on the second one. I come from a not-so-well to do family, but I worked my ass off at ERAU, and in the eyes of my colleagues, I'm a success! And we absolutely have an outstanding academic reputation! Whoever said that we don't, must be high. And we certainly have more connection, after all we do produce the best Aerospace Engineers and Pilots, according to U.S. News, and Flight Competitions... And as for UND, they're great... Several of my friends are going there, but if you really want people to know that you came from a specialized university dedicated to aviation and the science, go to ERAU! Engineers, pilots, Aviation business admin., GSIS, etc... should all be working together. That's why I chose ERAU.

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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:13 pm

"There is more than just ERAU and UND when it comes to schools that have aviation programs...Take your time and research ALL of your options... including going to a non-aviation oriented school and pursuing your flight training in your free-time. And try to look at as many schools that offer aviation programs as well."

DesertJets offers excellent words of wisdom! I second them heartily! Airlines don't care about school names when you get to your interview. They care about what's in your logbook. Granted some programs do have 'affiliations' with airlines but nothing is guaranteed (except maybe an interview with some routes). You can get to the same end no matter which way you go about it and be more or less in debt depending on how you do it.

Visit the schools message folders at Jetcareers.com to get the low down on all the major academies & universities- http://jetcareers.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php

The University Aviation Association is also a good place to investigate collegiant aviation programs if you want to train and get 4 yr degree at the same time- http://uaa.auburn.edu/msie.htm
 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Rid

Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:23 pm

Actually Av8trxx, they do care what school, in fact airlines have lowered the number of hourse greatly needed to work for them if you attend UND, and although have not been lowered as much, same goes for ERAU. If airlines didnt care where you went to school then why would they have "preferred schools"  Big grin
 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:29 pm

Jfkaua,

First, let me start by saying that I attended ERAU (Daytona Beach campus) and graduated with a Bachelor's Degree in Aeronautical Science (flight) this past May, and I can give you a very accurate description of the information you're looking for. One note: since I am not that framiliar with Flight Safety or UND, I will not try to speculate what goes on there, nor try to bash them in any way because they are also extremely reputable schools; I will only focus on ERAU.

Admissions requirements (http://www.erau.edu/db/admissions/faq.html) :

"When evaluating an applicant for admission, Embry-Riddle takes into consideration a student's high school academic record (both courses taken and overall grade point average), standardized test scores (SAT or ACT), and rank in class, and activities.
High school students are advised to prepare for Embry-Riddle by having taken three years of math and three years of science. Students should have a background in algebra, geometry, and trigonometry. Chemistry and physics are the preferred science courses. Students interested in engineering should take an additional year of mathematics and, if possible, an engineering design course.
Students may be required to take a math placement test before registration."

**The average SAT score around campus seemed to be somewhere around 1200.

My total costs over four years (Appx): $128,000

Food: $6,700
Tuition: $72,000 (Raised from first year - $7,250/sem. to $9,350/sem. fourth year)
Housing: $18,000 (On campus first three years, leased an apt. fourth year)
Misc. Fees: $2,600 (SGA fee, IT fee, etc.)
Flight Courses: $28,700 ($6,800 private, $7,000 instrument, $7,700 comm'l, $7,200 multi)

**Keep in mind that these costs increased from year to year, and I'm sure they'll be even higher by the time you are in college.

Campus Life:

Sunny year-round (with the occasional thunderstorm in the Summer, and the occasional cold-front passage in the Winter)...Average Summer temp: 85-95, average winter temp: 60-70 with a few cold nights down to the 30's. There aren't too many girls on campus, but that situation is improving...many more beachside. Mid October is Biketoberfest, late Feb. is Speedweeks over at the speedway (just on the other side of the airport), and the entire month of March includes Spring Break, Bike Week, and Black College Reunion. Don't expect to get much sleep during any of this.

The campus itself is pretty big, although everything is still within walking distance of eachother. Some people choose to ride bikes, skateboards, or rollerblades (which can all be done year-round!) The greatest thing that I can say about the campus is that since the entire university is aviation-related, there will never be anyone to criticize your love for aviation. Everyone there shares a common bond. In fact, you can tell that you're at an aviation school because as soon as you hear the roar of a departing jet, every single person stops whatever they're doing to just get a glimpse of it. You'll also never be stumped as to what type of plane it was, because there will always be a few people nearby to call out "Lear 31!"

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Academics:

This is what sets ERAU apart from any other aviation route. The previous posts in this thread and other threads are correct in saying that you can get your certificates and ratings on the side from practically anywhere for significantly less money, while pursuing a degree at a standard university. Unfortunately, although you may have the required certificates and ratings toward an aviation career, you may actually have little or none of the knowledge pertaining to complex, high-tech aircraft and high-speed/high-altitude aerodynamics that airlines require before even applying. Aside from the military route, this information is scarcely taught ANYWHERE. For this reason, ERAU has semester-long courses dedicated to each aspect. These courses include Jet Transport Systems (specifically using the B747-400 for the course, using airline-styled computer-based training), Electronic Navigation Systems (B757/767 and B747-400 FMSs), Aerodynamics (including Mach tuck, dutch roll, sonic booms, etc.), Turbines (operation, components, varieties, calculations of thrust, fuel consumption, etc.), Flight Physiology (high-altitude), two sem's of Meteorology, Flying techniques of transport-category aircraft (takeoff, climb and descent profiles, landing, etc.), and the list goes on.

Flight department:

One word: strict. There is a reason that the school charges students $100 for the first no-show, $200 for the second, $400 for the third (and withdrawl from the flight course). If students are going to be professional during their careers, then they must learn to do so before they even get to that point. (did I mention that it is considered a no-show when the student fails to arrive for a flight later than 30 minutes early!!! In the plane, the atmosphere is just like that of an airline cockpit: Sterile cockpit on the ground until reaching a safe altitude. While in flight, a "positive exchange of flight controls" is used if the student needs to give the controls to the instructor (or vice-versa) by verbally stating "you have the flight controls", the instructor states "I have the flight controls", and the student finally verifies again "you have the flight controls". Landings must be within three feet of the runway centerline. A weight and balance is done before every flight, and and all flows are backed up by the checklist. Taxiing across intersections is accomplished by verbally acknowledging "cleared left", "cleared right" (as appropriate), and when on the university ramp, the speed shall not be any faster than a slow walk. If you are looking to be trained to fly how the airlines expect you to fly (and not how you'd fly when you're just out to get a $100 hamburger), ERAU is the place.

Well i think that sums it up. I hope I've helped you a little more with your decision, and good luck in the near future. Feel free to email me if you have any more questions: BPeterson@eraualumni.org

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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:38 pm

Kalakaua,

Those are the old SATs. The 2004-2005 academic year is the last year the 1600 SAT exam will be taken. The new score is based on a 3200 (I think) scale.

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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Sat Sep 11, 2004 1:07 pm

I really wish they would explain the new SAT better... I will be taking it in Spring 2005 and I feel I know nothing about it. I took the old one and got 1114 on it but that was the PSAT and I was a sophmore and had never opened an SAT book in my life... I know what I need to work on is grammer and writing... the math i did fine on
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Q: What will the new SAT scores look like?
The new SAT will have three scores, each on the familiar scale of 200-800. Your score will include writing (W 200-800), mathematics (M 200-800), and critical reading (CR 200-800).

Your math and reading scores can be compared to the existing math and verbal scores. This is something colleges need for consistency in admissions requirements. However, the SAT writing score is completely new.

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also what are the requirments regaurding financial aid in general.. just curious if I have any chance of getting anything.

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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:14 am

Another school I have been looking at is Florida Institute Of Technology... Anyone have experience or tips or information on this school? Thanks
 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:38 am

Hi Jfkaua,

With your great SATs and presumably good high school grades to match, why not go Engineering (Aeronautical or Aerospace) at a prestigious university? You could always earn a pilot's license on the side (that's what I'm doing). I'm sure with your SATs alone you can be a shoe-in for Stanford, Berkeley, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT, Caltech, etc.

Most of those schools offer Mechanical Engineering, I think Stanford offers Mechanical & Aerospace. So does Cornell. Engineering is a very traditional field and is highly stable. Starting salaries for engineers range from 40k - 60k.

Whatever school you choose, I advise you to visit your main prospect at the least, you will be glad you did. The airplane fare is certainly worth seeing the place you will be living at for the next 4 years.

Choose wisely. This is your future, after all.
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:12 am

I apologize for changing the topic, but does anyone know what the new hangars are for next to Sheriff's Aviation??? Also, what is the new construction for next to the CoEx gates??
 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:36 am

I don't know I just don't see myself being as intrested in engineering really... I like to have alot of interaction with people and I like every aspect of civil aviation.. from the airports, the movement of people, the size, and speed of aircraft, the complexity... everything. I am also very good at IT stuff... Last year my school actually let me teach a web class while I was in tenth grade... I think what I really want to do is Major in something in the aviation field and then minor in something in the IT field... this way I could still do freelance work on the web which I already do...
 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Rid

Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:50 am

As im also looking at ERAU is it possible to major in both pilot and aviation business(management)

I also know that there is a aviation school at LGA anyone have any more info about it

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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:16 am

I don't believe you can double major, but you can Major in business and minor in flight...
 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:42 am

MNeo, Corey07850.. I am majoring in Aviation management, and i am going through the whole four year flying program. However its still only one major, at UND here you can double-major in Commercial Aviation (Pilot) and Aviation Management, since it requires only a couple extra classes. I have met a few people who are double majoring in those two.

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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Rid

Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:49 am

One word: strict.... ..... If you are looking to be trained to fly how the airlines expect you to fly (and not how you'd fly when you're just out to get a $100 hamburger), ERAU is the place.

Sounds like any other number of flight schools... Florida Tech, Jacksonville University/Comair Academy (where you'll actually have a job after you get done), Flight Safety, Pan Am Academy, etc.
 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Mon Sep 20, 2004 1:43 pm

I see alot of people are saying the UND... I know this isn't the primary thing I should be making my decision on... but I am a very social person and I just don't think I would enjoy myself in North Dakota... What is the differance between with the flight option and no flight option... does that just mean getting the hours to earn your lisence... and If I get my privates now does it end up saving me money in the flight option?
 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Mon Sep 20, 2004 1:56 pm

Jfkaua and MNeo,

I went to the University of Vermont for a year and a half before transferring to ERAU-Daytona. I went through the same decision making process you did, but back in 1990. I'm now a Captain at United Airlines (hopefully for the rest of my career  Smile ). If you have any questions about these matters, I'd be happy to talk about it to you. My email is mm320cap@mac.com. I haven't been in the college game for awhile, but I looked at all the programs mentioned here and can give you some insight on what I have found as I worked my way through the industry. Good luck with your choice! It's a great life, albeit a little tumultous!

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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Mon Sep 20, 2004 2:11 pm

Last I checked, Flight Safety was just a flight school, while ERAU is a university (with 2 campuses, 1 in DAB and the other in Prescott, AZ). The thing is that when you consider the prices at ERAU for flight training, I think your best bet would be to go to a university with more academic recognition worldwide and do flight training at a flight school that charges less for your ratings. Again, it depends on where you are from, but you can get lower prices for quality training at expensive airports like SMO and NEW, let alone CMA, LGB, Houma LA, GYR etc. I do think, however, you could look at getting your degree, then doing the ERAU CAPT program. That is where you have a 4 year degree and they just flight train you for a year straight and you get your ATP, including a type rating (why they picked the MD-90, I have no idea). That actually seems like a really cool option. Then again, getting rated while in school at a really good, but inexpensive public university and then building up hours, while maybe doing a short stint getting a rating at a flight school is also a good bet
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Rid

Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:58 am

alright... if I decide I am deffinantly going into aviation to become a pilot... does it save me money or equal the same amount if i get my privates now?
 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:50 am

FWIW, I would strongly echo the suggestions above that you get a degree and not just a $100,000+ piece of paper that lets you fly airplanes. That won't get you very far.
 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:00 am

The new score is based on a 3200 (I think) scale.

Nope - 2400. So an old 1400 is like a new 2100.


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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:40 am

Actually Av8trxx, they do care what school, in fact airlines have lowered the number of hourse greatly needed to work for them if you attend UND, and although have not been lowered as much, same goes for ERAU. If airlines didnt care where you went to school then why would they have 'preferred schools'"

True, there are several airlines that have reduced min programs with universities (and flight schools too). I was more addressing those who attend schools just for the name, hoping to score points with recruiting. But since we are on the subject....Not all people who attend a university with such a program will qualify to participate. In addition, just because someone went to a 'preferred' school program doesn't mean that they go straight to the top of an airlines hiring list. What they are offered is a chance to interview below minimums. That may be later rather than sooner, especially if there is an abundance of very qualified applicants in the in basket at recruiting. My point being: Applicants from any school or program must still be competative to get the job. Just because you have "UND or "ERAU" on your resume does not make you more competative or preferred over Joe Pilot who went to Podunk State and has 500ME time when your application goes for review with the hiring board. My company has preferred flight schools and universities too, but few grads have been hired. Pilots with previous 121 or 135 time and high time CFIs are making up the majority of the classes. (In my new hire class of 30 prior to 9/11, only 2 came from such a program and it wasn't a university one.) While being in a 'preferred school' program may work out well for some that were accepted into the program, nothing is guaranteed. There are no minimum number of students that must be interviewed (or hired) either.

UNDs program offers graduates who meet pre-established criteria the opportunity to interview below Horizon & Mesaba’s published hiring minimums, but those applicants who are most qualified will be called first, no matter what school they attended. While some may think a school affiliation with an airline means a direct track to the right seat, that isn't so. In a two year period, Horizon Airlines interviewed 110 'preferred school' UND grads, but only 62 were hired as first officers. On the Mesaba side, 37 alumni applied in one year to Mesaba via the preferred program. Nine applicants were interviewed and only five were hired. So, even if one does attend a school that is considered 'preferred', it won't automatically get you a better opportunity with the regionals. One must consider if the extra $20K (on average to attend a such such as UND or ERAU) is worth that chance.

A friend of mine has a degree from ERAU but did not meet the standard hiring requirements for a regional that considered ERAU to be a 'preferred school'. He didn't take any special classes pertaining to the bridge program between the school & airline. While they were willing to interview him below their published multi mins of 200, they still wanted him to get 10 more hours multi first (he had 1700 with 90 in twins). So, even with that ERAU degree, they wouldn't give him an interview and told him to come back later with more time. In his case, a big name degree got him no where.




 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:53 am

Disadvantage to UND: its North Dakota. What the f is there to do in north dakota.

cow tipping. at least that's what we did in PRC at riddle.
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:18 am

One place to consider is Middle Tennessee State University.

http://mtsu32.mtsu.edu:11662/home.htm

The tuition is reasonable, Middle Tennessee is a wonderful place to fly, and they have a pretty well known aerospace department. Now I'll be honest with you and say that I did not like it, but don't let that sway you. My opinion and your's are two different things.
 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:41 am

Actually Av8trxx, they do care what school, in fact airlines have lowered the number of hourse greatly needed to work for them if you attend UND, and although have not been lowered as much, same goes for ERAU. If airlines didnt care where you went to school then why would they have "preferred schools"

and let's not forget...

If airlines didnt care where you went to school then why would they have "preferred schools"

and

UND is a University its a Liberal Arts University with a spectacular flying program, your more likely to get hired going to UND or ERAU then any other schools.

This all doesn't make sense. When airlines hire, they don't hire based on where you went to school, they look at the entire picture! Your education is only a part of this. They are most interested in the actual experience that you can bring to the table.
I don't see anything about UND that really differentiates them from any other major university with an aviation program. The only thing I have found about them is their safety record, which is spectacularly bad.
Airlines do not have "preferred universities", if you check the cockpits of airlines you would find people from the military as well as universities and they would be from many different universities, not just UND or ERAU!
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:13 am

Hello,
I'm 14 and I have been to both ERAU and FIT in Florida.

I find ERAU as a way nicer looking place then FIT. When I went on a tour of both schools I found that ERAU is more focused on aviation then FIT.
FIT tends to educate a lot more about engineering and aviation and sciences.
One big difference between ERAU and FIT is ERAU has an airport while FIT has their flight training done a few miles away. ERAU Has more and better simulators than FIT. FIT Operates Piper and ERAU operates Cessna. At ERAU you can study to be ATC, Pilot, aircraft mechanic, etc. ERAU Is also located in a city that is more exciting (Daytona) while FIT is in boring (Melbourne).
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:57 am

does it save me money or equal the same amount if i get my privates now?
That's something that you'll hear different answers on, and you may want to look into how the school you will be attending handles the matter. Some schools prefer to train their students from scratch using their methods, so they may frown upon already having your license. In this case you will have to take a refresher course (happened to me) for a semester. The cost of this course may negate any savings that you would have had getting your private before school. On the other hand, other schools may not mind as much. They could just have you take a "checkride" with one of their instructor pilots to be sure you are up to their training standards before you continue in their program. In that case it would probably be cheaper to get your private before college.
 
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RE: 'preferred'

Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:18 am

Type-rated, what you say is very true. However the point Burnsie28 was making (in comments we both addressed) is that some universities have bridge programs with certain regionals to grant their alumni interviews at lower flight times than their usual minimums. UND and their agreement with Mesaba was an example. Instead of 1,000/100multi/100inst, Mesaba will interview a UND "direct hire" (as they call it) program alumni with 800/100/100. So, for some the chance to interview at a lower level of experience via such a program may make those offering them 'preferred' schools. Yet as we have both pointed out, such programs may get you an interview but will not make you a 'preferred' candidate for a pilot position simply because you went to a school that had a program with XYZ airlines. Interviewees who are preferred by the hiring board are chosen based on the 'entire picture' as you say.
 
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RE: Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle

Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:08 pm

With my post, I was trying to emphasize the point that if you graduate from UND, you are NOT guaranteed a job with any airline. Burnsie28 makes it sound like if you don't go to UND or ERAU, you won't be flying for any airline, and that UND is "preferred" by the airlines more than other schools. That is what I have a problem with. If he would have said that "Lots of airline pilots are UND graduates" I would have no problem with that as I am sure that is true, but quite a few universities have these "bridge" programs, this is not a UND or ERAU exclusive.
The problem I have with UND is that they seem to have more accidents and mishaps than other schools of similar size. I have heard people mention that UND is in it more for the money and aviation students are "rushed" through the program as quickly as possible. The record speaks for itself.
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