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Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:41 pm

Here are the key items:
Key initiatives include:
-- Updating and upgrading customer products and services, including
cabins and online functionality, and maintaining two-class service in
mainline operations;
-- Redesigning Atlanta's hub operation to add more flights for greater
customer choice and reliability while simultaneously reducing
congestion;
-- Dehubbing Delta's Dallas/Ft. Worth operation and re-deploying those
assets to grow hub operations in Atlanta, Cincinnati and Salt Lake
City;
-- Adding 31 new nonstop flights to 19 additional destinations from key
focus cities;
-- Growing Song, initially by 12 aircraft;
-- Reducing fleet complexity by retiring at least four fleet types in
four years and increasing overall fleet utilization and efficiency;
-- Eliminating 6,000-7,000 jobs over the next 18 months, lowering
management overhead costs by 15 percent, and reducing pay and
benefits; and
-- Creating an Employee Reward Program to include equity, profit sharing
and performance-based incentive payouts.
Cabin Crew: doors to manuel and crossdress
 
deltaffindfw
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:45 pm


DALLAS IS DEAD - only 21 flights left!!

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040908/clw033_1.html
 
as739x
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:52 pm

So 4 fleet type's going! That would be MD-80/MD-90/B733, and?

ASSFO
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FriendlySkies
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:57 pm

I'm surprised by the increase in Song. Didn't the CEO want to focus on premium service rather than LCC-ish service?

As739x, maybe the 762s are going? DL has plenty of 752s and 763/4 to fill in I'm sure. They really don't have that many types to be retiring AT LEAST 4, if they dump the ones listed, they will only have 767-300, 767-400, 757-200, 737-800, 777-200 (unless they are getting rid of those too!). I just hope DL can manage to stay out of bankruptcy, but with unions, who knows...
 
bucky707
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:07 pm

"So 4 fleet type's going! That would be MD-80"


The 88s are not leaving, at least not until their normal retirement dates. 732s, 733s, 73Gs (for all the non Delta types, that is our 737-300Gs), and last the 762s.

[Edited 2004-09-08 15:11:26]
 
panamair
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:12 pm

A little difficult to get rid of the 777s especially since they plan on applying for U.S.-China authority...
 
bucky707
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:17 pm

"A little difficult to get rid of the 777s especially since they plan on applying for U.S.-China authority..."


yeah, I edited my post after I heard that part!
 
Dalmd88
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:40 pm

I agree with Bucky707. 737-200, 737-3G, 767-200 and MD-90. The MD88 fleet is too large to get rid of at this time. We are also spending money to refurbish the interiors, Which I might add looks very good. Ship 9000 is almost done.
 
as739x
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:19 pm

Bucky..good call. Being on the "Left Coast" I forgot about the 732!

ASSFO
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:23 am

" Atlanta will go over 1000 daily Delta (mainline/connection/Song; does not include SkyTeam partners) flights." This is just plane STUPID!!!

Whenever it rains or snows in Atlanta is screws up the whole Delta system. This will now only get worse! Further, one of the big problems for people traveling from the northeast to the west is that they don't want to go through Atlanta as it is too far south and adds too much time to their trips. This will not attract the Business travelers!! They would have been better off growing CVG and SLC mainline and reducing ATL. I know they said they were increasing CVG, but all but one of the new flights will be Comscare! By spreading out the mainline flights to the three hubs, they would attract more business travelers from the NE, have a more efficient route structure, and reduce the operating costs associated with the delays in ATL. I guess the DL brass still continue to drink too much of that ATL koolaid!

This restructuring will not do the job. DL is bankruptcy bound!
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gigneil
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 4:30 am

That's a hasty overdramatization. Yes, Atlanta is still a bottleneck but the other identified ways to save money are great.

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BIGBlack
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 4:50 am

I like how the press mentioned the Song move is surprising also considering Grinstein himself was a Song critic. I guess all that positive feedback helped him change his mind.
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 4:51 am

Dalmd88-

The interior update you were refering too, Is it the cabin design, Are they getting 717 style cabins? Also, Does that include the new seats?
 
jfrworld
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 4:57 am

Does Anyone know how many mainline flights Delta had at DFW at its peak (early 90's) and how many mainline flights they currently have today (prior to announcement)?
 
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:08 am

Jfrworld - The peak for Delta mainline flights at DFW was right around 260. That was in 1991, when their share of the DFW market was about 30%. The 260 dropped to around 225 by 1993 and 212 in 1994. Then there was a major route restructuring in spring 1995 and DFW fell to 195. By 1997 the total had dropped to 135. After 9/11 Delta reduced flights at DFW to 95. Then in the DFW restructuring in early 2003 the total went down again to about 65. Today it stands at 52 I believe.
 
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:14 am

You cats are in denial about the MD-88 fleet. The 88's are going bye-bye, and its not a moment to soon. The 88 can not fly the "the long-haul" routes, and they sure as heck can not fly heavy loads. The 800 will take the place of the 88, and leave DL with a PURE Boeing fleet-737-800, 757-200, 767-200/300/300er/400er, 777-200.


N160LH
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NW7E7
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:27 am

What will DL use to fill the gap between CR7's and 738's? They arent in the position to buy the E190's!
 
N160LH
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:37 am

DL is not the position to buy a vowel right now... Let alone a plane. My GUESS would be that they would do away with the need. Or I guess you could look at it in another view that their is still 4 yrs away from when they say all this will be done. Maybe the 737-200/300 will be the last to go, but I am betting with a 120 MD-88 it will be the last to go. The whole industry could look a whole lot different in 4 years, DL could be leading the way again... You never know... Just have to keep hoping.

N160LH
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:38 am

This is just plane STUPID!!!

In a statement issued by the Federal Aviation Administration, Delta was
praised for its plans to redesign the operation at Hartsfield-Jackson
Atlanta International Airport. "De-peaking at Hartsfield-Jackson is
equivalent to eliminating the rush hour on Atlanta's Perimeter or
Connector," said FAA Administrator Marion C. Blakey in the statement.
"We applaud Delta's taking a more rational and reliable scheduling
approach that will benefit travelers and on-time performance." Blakey
was commenting on one element of Delta's Transformation Plan - making
Atlanta a continuous hub, resulting in less congestion and the ability
to grow. With this redesign, Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International
Airport is the largest hub operation in the world for any carrier.


So not only is the Delta upper management incompetent, but so is the FAA, right?  Laugh out loud

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N160LH
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:48 am

Okay NonrevKing-

Me and you seem to agree on nothing.... How you think this stupid is beyond me. It makes prefect since... DL will have less planes leaving and arriving at the same time. This will make ATL have less traffic at peck times, this a good thing for everybody... Even FL. I will give that DL upper management incompetent but the FAA I do not think so scooter.


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bucky707
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:00 am

"You cats are in denial about the MD-88 fleet. The 88's are going bye-bye, and its not a moment to soon. The 88 can not fly the "the long-haul" routes, and they sure as heck can not fly heavy loads. The 800 will take the place of the 88, and leave DL with a PURE Boeing fleet-737-800, 757-200, 767-200/300/300er/400er, 777-200."


ah yeah, thats why the 88 is the first one to get the new interior. Straight from the DFW Ch Pilot. The 732s. 733s, 73Gs and 762s are going to be retired. None right away, but as their leases expire over the next four years.

 
N160LH
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:14 am

Okay time will tell which type it is... my money is still on the 88 to take an exit.

[Edited 2004-09-09 01:21:01]
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:25 am

N160LH...

I was quoting Skibum from reply #9. He was ridiculing Delta for the ATL enhancements.

We're on the same team.  Big grin

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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnt

Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:45 am

Straight from the DFW Ch Pilot. The 732s. 733s, 73Gs and 762s are going to be retired. None right away, but as their leases expire over the next four years.

The abbreviation 73G typically refers to the 737-700, and I wasn't aware DL had purcashed any of these. If they are leased, who is their current lessor? I didn't see anything on DL's fleet page-

http://www.delta.com/travel/plan/aircraft_types/index.jsp
 
richierich
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:48 am

It sucks that that many people got laid off.
I may not like DL that much but this is hardly thrilling news.
None shall pass!!!!
 
gigneil
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:53 am

You cats are in denial about the MD-88 fleet. The 88's are going bye-bye, and its not a moment to soon. The 88 can not fly the "the long-haul" routes, and they sure as heck can not fly heavy loads. The 800 will take the place of the 88, and leave DL with a PURE Boeing fleet-737-800, 757-200, 767-200/300/300er/400er, 777-200.


then

DL is not the position to buy a vowel right now... Let alone a plane. My GUESS would be that they would do away with the need. Or I guess you could look at it in another view that their is still 4 yrs away from when they say all this will be done. Maybe the 737-200/300 will be the last to go, but I am betting with a 120 MD-88 it will be the last to go. The whole industry could look a whole lot different in 4 years, DL could be leading the way again... You never know... Just have to keep hoping.



Do you have a problem with multiple personalities?

The MD-88 will be the last to go. As has been mentioned repeatedly, the 732, 733 + G, and 762s are the next to go. The MD-88 can't go anywhere until DL can afford to buy 120 more 738s to replace them.

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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:58 am

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1732380/

Reply #49

Come on Richie, I know you saw it... Big grin

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[Edited 2004-09-09 02:09:24]
 
deltabobo
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 9:44 am

For all you ATL bashers, have you realized that ATL is building a new runway to deal with the delays. The way that airport is built, and most of all, the FAA's 1000 ft rule between landing and departing runways during inclement weather, is a reason why ATL is so delay prone. I personally believe that if the FAA scrap the rule all together or even reduce it to 250 - 500 ft between runways, then a major portion, if not all of the delays would disappear.

Just my $0.02 worth

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N160LH
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 9:54 am

GIGneil-

I do not think I would call it Multiple personalities, either way I will make my statements a little more clear. From what I understand about DL announcements and what I have learned by being employed by DL is this... The new boss wants DL to be become a "Long-Haul Airline" and that means that aircraft like the 737-200/300 and the MD-88 do not fit in his "long-haul" picture. These aircraft are also not very fuel efficient and with fuel prices on the raise it does not make since to keep them. 88 is very similar to 737-800 in seat capacity (MD-88 holding about 142 and the 800 holding about 160) but 800 has a much greater cargo capacity and range. This being said, DL does not need 2 aircraft with some what similar roles. My statement about the 88 being one of the last aircraft (of the four types being retired) to be retired, is because of DL lack of 800's to cover the retirement of 120 MD-88. But with so many RJ now being freed up because of the de-hubbing of DFW, who knows maybe they will take up some of the slack left by an exiting MD-88 fleet. I however disagree with you about the 767-200, I believe the aircraft that will be 737-200/300, MD-88, and MD-90. I may be wrong but only time will tell.

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travelin man
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:17 am

From the press release:

SUSTAIN PROFITABLE GROWTH
-- Increasing international service: Delta intends to file for new
U.S. - China service
-- Delta will:
* Strengthen secondary hubs
* Build further presence in focus cities
* Improve West Coast through partnerships
* Expand Florida service
* Grow New York/JFK
* Defend Boston


Does anyone know what they are talking about when they say "improve West Coast through partnerships"? What partnerships? CO and NW? Those airlines already have virtually no West Coast presence (except to their hubs, Hawaii, and Japan). Who is Delta going to partner with to "improve" West Coast service? Seems like Delta is becoming US Airways -- all East Coast and Europe flying. And that's not exactly been a successful strategy for U.
 
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:02 am

How is DL going to add any more RJ service to SLC?? The "E" concourse is already a clusterf@#k. Any concrete plans for the expansion of SLC? I'm guessing we'll get our SLC-AUS, SLC-ELP, SLC-Texas flights back?
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OPNLguy
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:15 am

>>>The abbreviation 73G typically refers to the 737-700, and I wasn't aware DL had purcashed any of these. If they are leased, who is their current lessor? I didn't see anything on DL's fleet page-

I read somewhere today that the 73G (in this case) is Delta's own internal designation for a 737-300 that has a "glass" cockpit...
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:56 am

How is DL going to add any more RJ service to SLC?? The "E" concourse is already a clusterf@#k. Any concrete plans for the expansion of SLC?

DL has a bunch of mainline gates in Concourse B that are hardly used. Rumors say DL will allocate these gates to the ASA RJ's that will be based in SLC. ASA will have 19 CR7's based in SLC.
 
richierich
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:07 pm

Thanks Spot This.
I saw it. But clearly you must think I'm a heartless knob if you believe that I am glad of it. I've said lots of stuff about Song and Delta (some right, some not-so-right  Smile) but I have never said that I wanted layoffs. OK, so I did direct one off-the-cuff remark to Otto I think but I wouldn't even want that. Really.
None shall pass!!!!
 
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:19 pm

But you seem to think (and gloat) the fact that you believe I got fired from Jetblue?

How do you come to this conclusion?  Big grin

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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:27 pm

"CEO Gerald Grinstein, in remarks to employees, described the top-to-bottom overhaul as a "comprehensive, 360-degree plan that reinvents Delta.""

Wouldn't this put them right back where they started??? DOH!
 
richierich
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:36 pm

I'm sorry if it appears that I am gloating. I am not and would not want to have that be 'misinterpreted'.

Let's just say that you left a legacy behind when you left. Word of mouth travels, even outside the company boundaries sometimes. May not be 100% accurate but the gist is probably right.

Likewise, you have always been very mum on the craziness you claim to have witnessed at JetBlue. Like what exactly? What was so bad that it made you quit and go to a 'real' airline? I'm not trying to stir the crap by asking, I am just curious. Without details, surely you can let us all know what some of the things you saw that would 'never have happened at any other airline'. Were these 'things' because JetBlue was a new startup at that time or were they major corporate flaws that need to be punished?

Maybe you have a reason to be bitter toward JetBlue. What the hell - maybe it is late- but I was never in your shoes. I will say that the B6 crew I know (and that is plural) plus most of the B6 crew in a.net seem very happy with their jobs and the company as a whole. Must be the kool-aid  Smile. It just seems to me that you have an axe to grind, just like if you had been let go from the post office when caught stealing stamps or something.
None shall pass!!!!
 
richierich
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RE: Delta To Cut 6000 - 7000 Jobs Over Next 18 Mnths

Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:40 pm

Well, I have successfully strayed off course on this subject long enough.

It sucks that that many people got laid off.
Amen to that. Oh wait! I said it! Hopefully those that still wish to work in the airline industry will find work at Southwest, AirTran, JetBlue or Spirit (or whoever is likely hiring in 18 months time).

None shall pass!!!!

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