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Ryanair Asked To Refund EUR 4m To CRL

Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:20 pm

Hi all,

Just read in the news (Belgian newspaper Le Soir, article here : http://www.lesoir.be/rubriques/eco/page_5171_252467.shtml (only in French)), that Charleroi Airport (BSCA) is to send a letter to Ryanair in the next few days, asking FR to refund EUR 4 million of illegal aids.

David Gering, Ryanair's sales director for Benelux (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg), acknowledged that the amount of the refund had to be fixed before September 15th, although he refused to comment on the exact amount. He also told that Ryanair would pay on time, while waiting for the result of their appeal.

Gering sees an "enormous potential for growth" at CRL, but only if Ryanair can negociate a new deal with BSCA. Among the arguments of Gering :

- We consider our aircrafts to be buses with wings, and think they shouldn't pay to stop there or there.
- We bring so much to the local economy that we shouldn't have to pay to use the airport.


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Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:29 pm

- We bring so much to the local economy that we shouldn't have to pay to use the airport.

So also all the big factories bring so much to the local economy...why they should pay the tax??


 
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Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:33 pm

Expect loud swearing noises from the direction of Dublin anytime now !

Re FR thinking they're so special they shouldn't have to pay for the airport ? FR are the people that NEED the airport - after all, the city of Charleroi didn't build the airport so it would have a fun place to hang out on Sunday afternoons - they built it so planes could land ! Buses don't (or shouldn't) need special roads - they use roads that were there anyway (most of the time).

Presumably FR pay ATC user fees when their planes fly across national air space. Do they have a problem with that too ? After all, the air was always there, nobody built it. What they are paying for, to ATC and Airports, is for the INFRASTRUCTURE without which they cannot operate safely.

This whole "We're doing you a huge favour flying to your crappy no-account airport so kiss our arse" attitude that FR have is just nauseating. FR fly to CRL because they MAKE MONEY doing so - bitching about the landing fees etc is just trying to make MORE money. They need to learn that they're not that special.
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Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:44 pm

- We consider our aircrafts to be buses with wings, and think they shouldn't pay to stop there or there.
- We bring so much to the local economy that we shouldn't have to pay to use the airport.


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Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:05 pm

I might be wrong but I think before FR started flying into CRL, hardly anybody used the airport and no airlines had any regular services to/from there. So what is wrong by offering an incentive for an airline to become the first major carrier hoping that this will attract others to follow and/or local businesses to benefit from the influx of visitors?

CRL offered FR an incentive. FR accepted. CRL saw traffic start and grow. Both were happy. So FR should not refund a single euro, let alone 4 million.

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Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:08 pm

@BCAL: why do I and the other taxpayers have to pay for the people flying to/from CRL on FR?

The support given to FR is so big that it is only logic that they have to pay a small part back.

Take away all the support this airline get's, and I'd be surprised if their profits would still be as big as they now are with tickets being sold for peanuts at the taxpayers' cost.

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Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:42 pm

So what is wrong by offering an incentive for an airline to become the first major carrier hoping that this will attract others to follow and/or local businesses to benefit from the influx of visitors?

CRL offered FR an incentive. FR accepted. CRL saw traffic start and grow. Both were happy. So FR should not refund a single euro, let alone 4 million.


 Big thumbs up !!!  Big thumbs up !!! You guys always appeal for fair competition.. as sabena says, why giving a govt subsidy, market-disorting.. why should others pay?? Weird comment!  Big thumbs up

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Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:47 pm

@Sabena 690: In the same way as you are asking why you and other taxpayers have to pay for the people flying to/from CRL on FR, I must ask why my taxes go on things that I totally disapprove of. For starters, why should I pay for the people traveling on Virgin Trains, who are partly subsidized in the UK? The Italians might be asking why they should pay for the people flying on Alitalia too. The list is endless and the only people who can answer are the politicians and civil servants.

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Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:15 am

. For starters, why should I pay for the people traveling on Virgin Trains, who are partly subsidized in the UK? The Italians might be asking why they should pay for the people flying on Alitalia too

You can't compare apples and ostrish eggs..
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:16 am

The Italians might be asking why they should pay for the people flying on Alitalia too. The list is endless and the only people who can answer are the politicians and civil servants.

First of all I want to point out I'm against to any more subsidies to Alitalia.

But at least Alitalia give a job to 22.000 Italian family. Ryanair hasn't any employees in CRL cause they work with Irish contract and mainly the 50 F/As and 25 pilots based there are not Belgian.

 
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 4:26 pm

Hi,

I have nothing against Ryanair, as I have nothing against incentives from an airport for attracting an airline, as long as law is respected. Let's not forget that if FR has to pay back some subsidies, that's only because those subsidies were judged illegal by an european court.

Public subsidies are welcome on specific routes, such as the Public Service Obligation (PSO) routes in the UK, where an essential air service to remote islands (Barra comes to mind) could not be profitably sustained. (see http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_aviation/documents/page/dft_aviation_508138.hcsp) But it's of course not the case of the routes FR flies from CRL.

I support the development of CRL but not at any price. The taxpayers' money would be better spent in promoting the airport or creating efficient ground links to it, rather than focusing on offering incredible incentives to one operator, leading to a situation where FR are (almost) the only customer. Don't forget that nothing prevents Ryanair from leaving completely the airport if they can't get what they want. What would be the return on the public investment in such an event ? Fortunately, I recently saw signs that BSCA management were aware of this, trying to focus more on attracting new customers.

Finally, while I don't discuss the fact that the arrival of FR had a positive impact on local economy, I just don't think the extent of this benefit is so large. First, the destinations offered by FR from CRL are mainly leisure destinations (with some exceptions). Secondly, the vast majority of passengers landing at CRL go to Brussels. Third, the kind of businesses in the Charleroi area are not especially interested in low-cost international airlinks. Fourth, the amount of good, solid jobs created is low compared to the amount of money invested in FR.

Just my opinion.
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:04 pm

Isn't it odd how governments didn't mind using huge amounts of taxpayers money - probably into billions to pay for state-run carriers, yet nowadays they're complaining about small subsidies? A little unfair and contradictory, I think. Shouldn't the governments repay the taxpayers for all the money they've used to support their state-controlled airlines? I think so. Hell, I could go on FR probably 10 times after that payment.
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:10 pm

Pearson... Two wrongs don't make a right.

FR have been found in a court of law to have illegally received taxpayer money. They should repay it, and will do so.





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Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:14 pm

And governments who spent billions of taxpayers money on state-owned and run airlines should also have to repay it. Hardly a just situation. Still, the 4m EUR is nothing compared to what the governments spent on their airlines, and FR will repay it.

[Edited 2004-09-09 12:15:41]
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:24 pm

governments who spent billions of taxpayers money on state-owned airlines should also have to repay it.

So let me get this clear:
You are saying a SHAREHOLDER should not be allowed to invest in his OWN company?
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:32 pm

What? I am saying it was unfair that billions of taxpayers' money was spent on state-run airlines, yet governments are nowadays complaining when FR receives small subsidies - so small in fact that it seems laughable when compared to the amounts spent by governments on state-run airlines. If FR has to repay it, so should the governments.
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:45 pm

Pearson... again two wrongs dont make a right. If an airline can get investment to turn itself around from its shareholder. thats OK, if an investor would do the same. In this case, I'm thinking EI and IB (who eventually got their act together).

Its not OK in terms of AZ and OA, who have abused the situation, and who should have followed SN down the restructure route. They should be forced to repay the loans. Nobody in their right minds would invest in those carriers.
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:46 pm

Again Pearson,

are you saying a SHAREHOLDER may not invest in his OWN company then, if that shareholder happens to be a government?  Nuts

And what is exactly your point in your last reply?

Simply because it WAS unfair that billions of taxpayers' money WAS spent on state-run airlines (note the past tenses you've used yourself), we should all just shut up and not complain about proportionally smaller sums FR receives (note the present tense)?

So you are using things from the past, which you happen to boo yourself over and over again on this forum, to justify wrongdoing today?  Nuts






 
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:56 pm

Sabena Pilot... OA and AZ should be forced to return some investment money, even if it was in the past. These carriers should no longer be operating, as they are not viable, unlike the new EI, IB and SN - three profitable airlines.
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:00 pm

The fact is FR will repay what it must. There is no doubting that. I think it’s unfair that governments – past and present from England to wherever else – have spent huge amounts of taxpayers’ money to run state airlines. I believe that airlines should be private enterprises and so should not use taxpayers’ money. This is just my personal opinion. But as I’ve said, FR will repay what it must and that’s all that matters.  Smile
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:05 pm

You are saying a SHAREHOLDER should not be allowed to invest in his OWN company?


Could say the same about the local(Wallonia?)government and CRL.
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:05 pm

Pearson.. I agree - They should be private operations, and free from all government intervention on a commercial front. (Route restrictions, bilaterals, etc)

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Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:23 pm

Are you being sarcastic, BW? It's very hard to tell with you.  Wink/being sarcastic
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:24 pm

Under European law, there are subsidies which are illegal and subsidies which are legal. Those who receive illegal subsidies, for example because they strike some under-the-table deals, have to repay them. Those who follow the rules, don't have to repay them. Simple as that.
 
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:40 pm

Ryanair to start ticketselling for 1 (one)Skr!!!! Hell, not even a quarter.....

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Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:04 pm

"Are you being sarcastic, BW? It's very hard to tell with you. "

Sarcastic... moi...

In this Case... I wasn't being sarcastic... Governments dont run airlines well. It should be left to the free market. Customer service improves, and fares go down. Not like AZ - who have one profitable route (FCO LIN) - a route I'm still surprised FR havent started flying x10 daily.







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Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:10 pm

Re: one profitable route (FCO LIN) - a route I'm still surprised FR havent started flying x10 daily.

Don't be silly - that would be a route people actually WANT. FR would rather operate BGY Milan (North) to BRI Rome (South East), once a day with a 732, leaving around 2 pm, priced 0.01 Euros (tax included).
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:23 pm

What I really mean is CIA BGY service at a similar frequency to STN PIK or STN DUB. If they can fill flights on STN PIK they can fill flights on CIA BGY, and finally clear the skies of AZ!

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Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:33 pm

Solnabo,

They have done that several times now. And I still haven't seen SAS gone dugging it's own grave yet  Big grin
 
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:49 pm

BW I can't see BGY-CIA being quite as convenient as LIN-FCO. LIN is downtown, minutes from the centre of Milan, and FCO has the train to the centre of town. BGY is miles out of town, and CIA only has a bus into town - not such a viable alternative. LIN-FCO is popular for a reason !
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:42 pm

First of all I´d like to say hello to this community - in fact I just payed the membership for having the possibility to say some words on FR and the policy of certain airports-regions-whatever (quite an expensive answer, isnt it?)

I do nothing say against FR - they dont directly ask for money from certain regions/airports - it is the airports or cities asking FR to come in most cases.

Let´s take for instance KLU airport. This airport has been served over the years by 3-4 turbopropflights of VO/OS to connect this rather small town with VIE and FRA. For a short period LX had flights to ZRH too. In addition there are a couple of charters during holiday season to the usual mediterranean areas. The airport normally is boring and almost dead.

The airport manager of KLU always was and is still keen playing "big airport". So KLU airport together with the regional tourism office asked FR to start flying LON to KLU - and FR did - by getting a "promotional payment" of almost 1 million Euros per year - of course just in the name of "increasing tourism".
Yes - tourists from the UK came (and still come) to the holiday region of Carinthia - low budget holidaymakers - I would even call them trampers. The local economy including hotels, restaurants, a.s.o. didnt see much money until now from the FR passengers. So the regional tourism office sponsored tourism which didnt bring in money so far.
But the airport had a daily London flight. Then FR added a daily flight to CIA - great - this was subsidised by the local chamber of economics as it was a good thing - bringing in another "world destination" - good for business, good for the local economy. In roughly 10 days the big world will get smaller for KLU as FR stops flying CIA-KLU due to empty a/c´s.
Next to come to KLU was HLX - again low budget flights from 4 German cities to KLU - subsidised by almost zero airport charges. Great performance - the first destination will be cancelled shortly and I have no doubts others will follow.

For all that OS/VO is still flying the 5 daily connecting flights to VIE and 2 flights to FRA. They have always flown to KLU, they developed the traffic out of KLU, the always supported the airport and the local economy. And they always paid full AP taxes. And have not received "tourism sponsoring" or "economy sponsoring".

Most of the LCC´s - be it FR, AB, HLX - whatever the names are - they just fly either on routes being purely for the leisure traveller or do serve destinations they get paid for. In case they would have to pay the same amount of money to airports like all the other airlines and would not receive "subsidies" I do bet they would quickly pull out of most markets (or would never go in).

But from all LCC´s I do think FR has the worst policy in this respect. As far as Charleroi Airport is concerned - I would say "yes FR has to repay" but in addition I would fine BSCA with the same amount of money. And I would do it with everyone paying money to FR "just to have some aircraft on the apron".

My 2 cents in my first post

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Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:35 am

Mr JPG & Mr BW - I don't personally see a CIA-BGY service materialising, but I do hope it does!

CIA is quite a bit closer to central Rome than FCO. The main difference is that there's a bus linking FCO to Termini (it takes about 30-35 minutes) whereas you have to go by coach from CIA to Termini (right outside; it takes about 45 minutes). Evidently, there's hardly anything in it.

BGY is only about 2 miles further from central Milan than MXP, the main airport serving Milan. But MXP does, like FCO, have a train linking it to central Milan, but I'm not sure about the duration (it'd probably take 20-30 minutes). The bus linking MXP to central Milan, which seems very popular (I've used it), takes 45 minutes-1 hour. In contrast, there's a bus service from BGY to central Milan, which takes about 50 minutes-1 hour (it costs about 4.50 EUR).

It's quite obvious, to me at least, that there's really not much in it, time-wise, from CIA-BGY than CIA-FCO - it'd probably add about 30 minutes-1 hour onto the travel time. If FR did begin CIA-BGY, I think this time difference would be pretty inconsequencial to most people, except perhaps certain businesspeople. I am sure that leisure passengers would find it totally fine.

A good thing about the buses serving the airport FR serves, is that they are there when the planes arrived, so there's not much waiting around.
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Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:19 am

Ryanair will start a CIA BGY service within 12 months, and it will be a success.

As a frequent CIA user when a good LCC served it from STN, its a great airport, and easier to use than FCO. FCO boarding takes walking miles and miles in a U shape from check-in to gate area.

However BGY is not as good as the central LIN airport.
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Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:50 am

I have no doubt that it'd be a success, but I'm interested in your source about it starting within 12 months.
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Fri Sep 10, 2004 5:48 am

Milan-Rome is a business route where people ask frequencies and flexibility.

Leisure pax like more the train that in Italy is very cheap compared to other European countries.

That's why I think a BGY-CIA couldn't work.
(what happened to FR Stockholm NYO- Oslo TRF ??)

Also to fly domestic flights within Italy FR needs to certificate from ENAC all the cabin crew based in BGY or CIA and that means they need to offer them an Italian contract in spite to work with an Irish contract like now. Also for onboard sales on a domestic flight you need to give a receipt and pay Italian taxes so you need to open a division in Italiy (ie. FR Italia LTD) and have more cost for personnel and accounts.

 
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Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:59 pm

Hi again,

As I wrote in my initial post, BSCA (the CRL airport authority) was to send a letter to Ryanair asking them to pay pack EUR 4 million of subsidies. David Gering, Ryanair's sales director for Benelux, had immediately stated that FR was going to pay (in order to respect the law).

But in the news today (http://www.lesoir.be/rubriques/eco/page_5171_252857.shtml, in French, sorry, see also article below), Michael O'Leary himself has just said FR won't pay those subsidies back. In an interview he gave to The Daily Telegraph he said :

We haven't received any letter, but if we do I think it would get a pretty short reply. I think it would consist of two words - Foxtrot Oscar (f*** off). Ryanair has spent much more than we have ever received from the Walloon region. We spent over 100m building the bloody base. We created their airport from nothing. So our reply will say we're paying nothing, love Mick

Now, it's pure MOL style. I personnally find such an attitude scandalous. What do you think ?

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Fri Sep 10, 2004 5:13 pm

The same thing about leisure passengers taking the train could be said for the UK 8 years ago.

Ryanair have an excellent network of cities in Italy, perfectly located for domestic routes from Rome to the North and from Bergamo to the South.
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Fri Sep 10, 2004 5:30 pm

BrusselsSouth:
Now, it's pure MOL style. I personally find such an attitude scandalous. What do you think ?


It is just another statement showing in a row of non-commentable statements starting with "bloodshed" down to the recent statement "FR is going to fly free of charge and the regions/hotels/restaurants should pay for the airfares" or "no more baggage on FR - people fly so cheap - so they can afford to buy their lousy baggage at the destination"....

Is someone here working for FR? Look the way the employees are treated. It is scandalous that you have to pay FR (like AB) for getting a job as lets say Flight Attendant. What happened to the crews from Buzz?

The policy of the "big words from the big mouth MOL" go in line with the Hire+Fire policy and the "give me money and we are going to fly from your airport".

Generally I do like competition - if there would only be lets say BA flying from LON they could dictate the price.
On the other hand if BA would get subsidised by the airports, regions, communities for every flight they do - this would be a different picture then. Same chances for everybody - but at the same level - then it is a fair competition.
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Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:29 pm

BrusselsSouth:
Now, it's pure MOL style. I personally find such an attitude scandalous. What do you think ?


I personally admire MOL for being so bold and direct. Perhaps more businessmen should take a leaf from his book.
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Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:41 pm

Being direct doest not prevent from staying polite.

We haven't received any letter, but if we do I think it would get a pretty short reply. I think it would consist of two words - Foxtrot Oscar (f*** off). Ryanair has spent much more than we have ever received from the Walloon region. We spent over 100m building the bloody base. We created their airport from nothing. So our reply will say we're paying nothing, love Mick

It's just as if I received a letter from the tax administration asking me to pay more taxes (this happens to me almost every year...) and I answered back saying f*** off, I've already paid more taxes than what you gave me, so, call it illegal, I'll pay nothing. Love. BrusselsSouth (or another nickname...).

I think MOL should respect the law first, the bring his case to court (again) if he finds he's got an unfair treatment...

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RE: Ryanair Asked To Refund EUR 4m To CRL

Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:06 pm

The same thing about leisure passengers taking the train could be said for the UK 8 years ago

You don't know the Italian situation. In two years the journey time by train between Milan and Rome will decrease from 4h and 30 minutes to 3h and 20 minutes. That's mean the train will be more competitive then the plane also for many price sensitive business travelers. Don't forget Italian trains are very cheap compared to UK.

 
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RE: Ryanair Asked To Refund EUR 4m To CRL

Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:09 pm

Air Blue - AZ are fleecing passengers between Rome and Milan with stupidly high fares. This is why FR will work.

The cheapest current AZ Rome Milan return fare is €118 return excl taxes.

Compare that to other trunk city shuttles around Europe

IB MAD - BCN €76
SK CPH - ARN €82
EI DUB - LHR €34
BA LHR - EDI €43
LH FRA - MUC €46
AF PAR - NCE €43
KL AMS - LON €89

Ryanair's cheapest everyday fare would start at €25 return excl taxes.

Imagine what that would to to stimulate traffic between the cities. Imagine what that would do to AZ's profits.










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