dtwclipper
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Pan Am At Alameda

Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:05 pm

So, LGA has the Marine Air Terminal, Miami has Diner Key, are there any remnants of the Pan Am Clipper base in San Francisco?


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RE: Pan Am At Alameda

Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:18 pm

OMG, that picture brings me almost to tears....long story, but basically, my entire life made a complete U-turn, and went uphill from that point, and this all took place in the bay, further beond above the base, back in 1994. Anywho, you guys probably dont care, but ya, just needed to express my feelings than just hitting the "back" button on my browser. I can actually see my dad's hangar, VA304. Man, I can even see the place where I spent a huge part of my life growing up....the BOQ. *sigh* Even the chapel...where...well...before I short circuit the keyboard with my tears, lol, I'll stop. Anywho, once again, sorry to bore you guys, but this just brings back fond memories of my childhood, and of a certain person, who is no longer here....my dad...back in 1994....the A6E Intruder...Frisco Bay...*sigh*...don't know if you guys remember, but well, ya, I'm his son....well, anywho, now that your bored out of your mind, I'll let you guys go.

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RE: Pan Am At Alameda

Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:23 pm

DTWClipper....I don't think so. You gave me an excuse to drive over there after work. I think that was taken over by Flying Tiger, and their hanger was town down to build the new cargo building for FedEx/JAL/NCA. That whole area alone the bay is getting remodel to add building, since land at SFO is so limited. I'm looking at the overhead shot of SFO here in my office and I can't see and Clipper stuff, and this shot is from '94.

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RE: Pan Am At Alameda

Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:58 am

FrontierCPT, I worked Avionics on A-6E Intruders in the Navy (VA-196, NAS Whidbey Island) and that too brings back some memories for myself as I deployed twice on USS Carl Vinson which at the time was home-ported there at Alameda (1994 and 1996).

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RE: Pan Am At Alameda

Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:15 am

There used to be a mural on a wall at alemeda commerating clipper ops. I don't know if it's still there. And BTW, don't call it "Frisco".
 
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RE: Pan Am At Alameda

Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:02 am

I forget-- when did they move from Alameda to Treasure Island? The Martins left from Alameda and the B314s from Treasure Island? And by the end of B314 flights they had moved down to that lagoon on the north side of SFO?
 
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RE: Pan Am At Alameda

Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:17 am

Sorry PSA188, I was just sort of rushing to write everything down while it was in my head, after all that is where he was killed, and where I became fatherless, and my mommy became widowed.

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RE: Pan Am At Alameda

Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:26 pm

Regarding the picture in the original post: what are the parallel black lines or marks along the runway center line and right side which run down most of the length of the runway and appear turn onto the other runway at the intersection?
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RE: Pan Am At Alameda

Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:06 am

Those black line are what's left of the set used for the highway chase scene in Matrix 2. An entire freeway with signs and on/off ramps was constructed for the filming of that scene.
 
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RE: Pan Am At Alameda

Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:51 am

Thanx for the info 10MID, couldn't figure it out for the life of me. BTW, will there be any commercial uses of this airfield, reply #2 indicates cargo operators are building facilities?
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RE: Pan Am At Alameda

Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:13 am

The Pan Am Clipper Ships operated out of Treasure Island, not Alameda. Treasure Island is the man made expanse sitting just north of the mid-point of the Oakland-San Francisco Bay Bridge. The island was constructed for the Worlds Fair of 1939, then converted into a naval base just prior to World War II. The navy officially closed the base in 1997 and now the island is a multi use "suburb" of San Francisco, even though its part of the City. There are apartments and condos, a conference center, and several non-profot organizations that were given subsidized leases because they couldn't afford offices/facilities in the City proper.

Pan Ams Clipper Ships use to dock in what's called Clipper Cove, a square lagoon that's now a boat marina. The former Terminal Building is called "Building One", and is the first large building you see to the right after entering the front gates of the island. This is the building that has the huge art deco mural. Its open to the public and is now a meeting.canference facility. Unfortuntely, its in need of a serious make over. So many renovations and rehab have been carried out over the years that there isnlt anything readily recognizable on the inside that it was once the passenger terminal building. The mural is cool to look at though.



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RE: Pan Am At Alameda

Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:17 am

Also I might mention that that some of the large hangars at the Alameda Naval Air Station are now rented out and used for HUGE private rave parties. There's usually two or three of them going on simultaneously during New YEars.
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RE: Pan Am At Alameda

Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:21 am

Planenutz:

I keep reading "Alameda" in a number of books about the Clippers. Can I assume that the "exploritory" flights were "moored in Alameda, California" but the regular schedules were flown from Treasure Island?

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RE: Pan Am At Alameda

Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:43 am

My one and only visit to Alameda was in the early 80s. We had gone on a family vacation to San Francisco, and one day my Mom and I went over to the base from San Francisco, taking a combination of BART and city bus to get there. My Mom wanted to visit the Navy Exchange; meanwhile I talked myself onto the U.S.S. Coral Sea, which was in port. It was my first time ever on an aircraft carrier, and while there were no planes on board, it was still pretty darn neat.
 
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RE: Pan Am At Alameda

Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:48 am

The former Alameda NAS is now being developed as Alameda Point. There are some issues to be straightened out with development, so things have been moving pretty slow. There is supposed to be a golf course where the runways now stand. The hangars are being use for a variety of commercial businesses. One of them is a fitness club, Bladium, others are used by hi-tech and film production companies. There was until recently a movie theatre that showed classic films. Every 1st Sunday of the month there is an antiques mart. Some of the docks are used by the Navy for the reserve fleet and of course, the USS Hornet is docked there.
 
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RE: Pan Am At Alameda

Fri Sep 10, 2004 5:49 am

I was last there on HMCS Calgary in '97 and we tied up behind the USS Hornet which was in the process of being converted into a floating museum. Is the Hornet still moored at Alameda or did it move across the bay ?

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RE: Pan Am At Alameda

Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:46 am

"The Pan Am Clipper Ships operated out of Treasure Island, not Alameda."

You recall that the Martins started flying transpacific in 1935 or 1936. Did Treasure Island even exist then?
 
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RE: Pan Am At Alameda

Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:43 am

Looks like Pan Am was at Alameda until ca 1939:

http://www.militarymuseum.org/NASAlameda.html

It mentions the five 500-ft wide WWII-era runways at Alameda NAS; you can see them in the pic at the beginning of this thread.

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