MaverickM11
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America West And Royal Jordanian?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:31 am

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040907/latu115_1.html

What's the benefit of this? It seems to me the revenue from the one to two pax per week traveling between Tucson and Aqaba won't compensate for the expense of setting such a deal up.
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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:46 am

looks like its more extensive than just tuscon-amman

passengers travelling to any of HP's destinations from anywhere of Royal Jordanian's destinations can benefit.
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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:00 am

"passengers travelling to any of HP's destinations from anywhere of Royal Jordanian's destinations can benefit"

I know...I'm being a little facetious...I just can't imagine there's a huge benefit of such a partnership when neither airline flies to the other's hubs.
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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:23 am

I could see people from LAX and SFO taking HP to JFK, then RJ to AMM and elsewhere in the region. If I'm not mistaken, there's no direct service from LAX or SFO to anywhere in the Middle East, except LY to TLV, yet some demand must exist. And inter-terminal connections at JFK are pretty easy today with AirTrain.
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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:43 am

i was thinking along the same lines as PROSA.

i was under the impression that RJ was usually quite cheap.

anyone wanting to get to almost anywhere in the middle east that who lives in the pacific southwest could benefit from this.

for example going to muscat from tuscon

or vegas to dubai

there must be a point in this underwise they wuoldn't have done it.
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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:22 am

Beginning in October 2004, Royal Jordanian will place its two-letter code on America West flights from New York/JFK, Chicago/O'Hare and Detroit

That has to be the most convoluted codeshare. Uh, let's see. Connecting from RJ to HP at DTW??!!! Who in there right mind would want to even consider that?
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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:33 am

There are probably more Jordanians, Iraqis, and Lebonese, than you would suspect in PHX & TUS. Most are attending UofA, or the finer institution, ASU, which makes me wonder how necessary a code-share was for just those routes. More likely, this is also probably serving as feeder service to the New York flight to Jordan.
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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:37 am

I don't see anything wrong with it. If you remember in previous years, El Al had North American Airlines do its transcon runs instead of flying its own aircraft to places like LAX etc. If RJ places its own numbers on HP flights and the schedules work out just fine in terms of connections, then I don't see anything wrong with it. It's good for both airlines, mostly RJ, since it can now claim it serves points beyond DTW, JFK and ORD. Plus, if they had a one stop service to the west coast using their own aircraft, they would have still had their pax get off at the first stop to go through customs and immigration then reboard the same aircraft, so why not make use of HP's aircraft and not send their own? Makes absolute sense to me.
 
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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:54 am

Royal Jordanian also used to have a Codeshare agreement with TWA.
Yes there are many Jordanian/Arabian passengers traveling from the Southern States. Also I remembered flying Royal Jordanian AMS-JFK several years ago, that there were many passengers connecting on TWA flights. SO I am sure that there is a market for it.

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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:22 am

"Most are attending UofA, or the finer institution, ASU"

Hz747300 - You lost some credibility in my eyes if you think ASU is a "finer institution"  Smile
 
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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:44 am

Hz747300 - You lost some credibility in my eyes if you think ASU is a "finer institution"

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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:49 am

It seems like a pretty weird alliance to me but I guess there is a point to it. Indeed there's gotta be a pretty high demand on flights to the Middle East and RJ is undoubtedly one of the strongest players in the region but so is Turkish Airlines which has a bigger fleet and a more extensive network. They have a marketing alliance with AA which is competitive on transcontinental flights and offers good fares in cooperation with TK on flights from the West Coast to the Middle East and the Gulf Region. I hope that in time I see the benefits of the HP and RJ alliance.
 
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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:14 am

It is good for both I would say.

RJ was our (TW) Codesharepartner as already stated by AMS and the feeder traffic in both directions was good.
Furthermore RJ had (years and years ago) flights AMM-VIE-JFK, AMM-VIE-ORD and even AMM-VIE-HOU - the JFK service was mixed L10´s and 747´s and the ORD and HOU service was with L10´s.
So the market was there as they wouldnt have flown for nothing but the love of flying...
RJ is having a lot of connecting traffic from the mideast/neareast area to europe - why not beyond? They do not only have reasonable fares - they also have a potential in high yield pax.

I welcome this alliance!
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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:37 am

El Al "using" North American to feed their flights to Israel is not a fair comparison at all. North American were / are (do they still exist?) owned by El Al. So it hardly counts as a codeshare.

PROSA, re flights between the US and the Middle East? Again, I wouldn't count El Al at all cos you can't fly on from Tel Aviv to anywhere, and since almost none of it's people are actually from the region, it barely even counts as a Middle East country. But as well as RJ, Egyptair fly from Cairo to NYC and (still?) LAX, Emirates fly nonstop to Dubai, and even Biman Bangladesh stop in DXB en route to JFK, Saudia fly to New York and Washington from various Saudi cities, Royal Air Maroc fly to JFK (and Montreal) from Casablanca, and soon EK will be joined by copycats Qatar Airways at JFK. Maybe even MEA will be allowed in one day.
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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:39 am

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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:42 am

In a recent class I attended in PHX on international travel, our teacher stated that HP wanted to have more of an international presence. This is obvious with our new codeshare agreements with Qantas, Virgin Atlantic, and now Royal Jordanian. We do have a large Arabic population in AZ that could benefit from this codeshare. Detroit too has a HUGE Arabic population. I welcome any new agreements, no matter how weird they may seem! I only wish we would start an alliance with a domestic carrier or perhaps expand more on the NW partnership. So many people give me their Worldperks card for mileage and I have to tell them that it's only allowed on certain flights. Rather silly if you ask me!
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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:52 am

PROSA, re flights between the US and the Middle East? Again, I wouldn't count El Al at all cos you can't fly on from Tel Aviv to anywhere, and since almost none of it's people are actually from the region, it barely even counts as a Middle East country. But as well as RJ, Egyptair fly from Cairo to NYC and (still?) LAX, Emirates fly nonstop to Dubai, and even Biman Bangladesh stop in DXB en route to JFK, Saudia fly to New York and Washington from various Saudi cities, Royal Air Maroc fly to JFK (and Montreal) from Casablanca, and soon EK will be joined by copycats Qatar Airways at JFK. Maybe even MEA will be allowed in one day.

I had said that there were no direct flights from LAX/SFO to anywhere in the Middle East, not counting LY from LAX. As far as I know, MS no longer serves LAX. EK may start service to SFO at some point, but it hasn't happened yet.
BG's stop is at BRU rather than DXB.
It would be nice to see MEA in the United States, but that would take a major change in political attitudes on Washington's part. Interestingly, a recent article in the New York Times noted that many well-to-do people from the Gulf states are vacationing in Beirut as an alternative to travelling to the United States, given the visa hassles they face in trying to enter America.
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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:58 am

I am a student and an employee of the University of Arizona, I can assure you that there is a decent Lebonese population that attends classes here, as I have run into some at work. Now as for the "finer" institution, I really am not involved in the rivalry as much as some, although I'll let US News and World Report decide which one is better and UA is in the top 100 total, and top 50 public institutions whereas ASU isn't.
 
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RE: America West And Royal Jordanian?

Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:02 am

It would be nice to see MEA in the United States, but that would take a major change in political attitudes on Washington's part.

The same words that MEA's CEO Mohammad El-Hout said.

Interestingly, a recent article in the New York Times noted that many well-to-do people from the Gulf states are vacationing in Beirut as an alternative to travelling to the United States, given the visa hassles they face in trying to enter America.

Yep. In the summer it seems like there are more Gulf people than Lebanese in Lebanon. It's absolutely insane...

There is considerable demand for North America - Middle East flights. It is politics that is preventing it from reaching its full potential. Both LAX and SFO can easily warrant flights to a number of locations in the Middle East.

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