kalakaua
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PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:51 am

http://www.pakistantimes.net/2004/09/08/top6.htm

PIA Airbus with 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster
By Omair Rasheed - Pakistan Times Staff Correspondent

LAHORE: An aircraft of Pakistan International Airlines [PIA] with 276 persons aboard had to make an emergency landing after an engine caught fire, shortly after its' take off.

The Airbus A300 aircraft made the emergency landing at Allama Iqbal International Airport in Lahore late on Monday night, minutes after taking off for Riyadh, the capital of Saudi Arabia.

'Pakistan Times' understands that the pilots reported the engine fire. No-one was injured in the incident.

A spokesman for the airport said that the engine fire was caused by 'a technical fault.' A replacement aircraft took over the flight which was delayed by an hour, sources said.

Flight PK 734 took off from Lahore Airport at 21:20 PST [16:20 GMT] on Monday. Soon afterwards, one of its engines caught fire. This was noticed by people living in localities near the airport. Some of them reported the incident to the control tower and some to newspapers.

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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:52 am

Damn! Good show everyone was okay.
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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:54 am

Good grief... happy nothing has happened...
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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:19 am

Oh, for goodness' sake. "Escapes disaster"...?

It was only an engine fire. Professional work by the crew, I'm sure, but nothing that they're not regularly trained to cope with.  Insane
 
kalakaua
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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:55 am

Backfire, that was the same attitude that destroyed the Columbia... "Oh, it's only a scratch..." Who knows what could have happened?!
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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:03 am

Although its a scary moment for everyone involved... I do believed the crew are trained in this kind of situation so it should not be a disaster or life-threatening situation.
 
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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:23 am

Backfire, that was the same attitude that destroyed the Columbia


With all due respect, that's utter nonsense.

Space launches are not routine - airliner flights are. Columbia was destroyed by an unforeseen event for which NASA and the Shuttle crew was unprepared.

Every airline pilot, in contrast, is regularly trained to deal with engine failure at take-off, engine fires, and a host of other scenarios.

Engine fires and failures are not uncommon. But they are usually non-events which are dealt with accordingly. Like this one.
 
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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:27 am

Weather, and the choice to launch in that weather, is what destroyed Columbia
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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaste

Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:30 am

On Columbia, the accident wasn't unforseen in any way - they'd seen similar damage previously, just never to such an extent. And they figured the probabilities of such an event were so remote they didn't need addressing.

Murphy and his law caught up.

On airliners and engine fires : not neccesarily common, but it CAN happen and there are established procedures for such that are practiced often by the crews both in class and in simulators.

And the aircraft themselves are equipped to deal with fires ... you can dump extinguishing agents into the affected engine, cut off the fuel flow (no fuel, no fire), etc etc.

All of the above, if they work correctly, should allow a safe (albeit white knuckled) landing every time.

Very scary, yes. Very dangerous, possibly. A Disaster? not unless a whole host of things that are supposed to happen correctly do not.

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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:58 am

Sounds similar to the Concorde Crash (only with a happier ending)
 
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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:26 am

Not really, this is entirely different. The AF Concorde's fuel tank was ruptured by foreign debris and the engine exhaust caused that fuel that leaked to ignite, in turn setting fire to both engins and most of the wing on that side of the aircraft.

This was a regular engine fire, which is more common. A similar occurance would be the Kegworth disaster involving a BMI 737-400, although that was less of an engine fire and more of an engine fault (blades snapping). And obviously, shutting down the wrong engine..
 
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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:04 pm

Oh boy, what's wrong with you people?
Kalakaua comparing the Columbia disaster to an engine fire on a commercial transport is silly, you may as well compare an earthquake to what happened on this PIA A300. An engine fire is a type of emergency that has never resulted in a passenger fatality (except, say, in the case of a BOAC 707 where the fuel was left pumping, and a couple of pax didn't get out after landing - I call that pilot error).

BIGBlack You're thinking of the Challenger. Please get your facts straight.

Rj777 Concorde crashed because of tyre failures which flung rubber debris into the fuel tanks. This has nothing to do with an engine malfunction.
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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Thu Sep 09, 2004 9:59 pm

Cedarjet is right on...

Aircraft accidents are generally caused by a combination of things going wrong rather than just one event like this engine fire.

If you have an engine fire AND a failure of the extinguishing system then you have a "escaping disaster" situation.

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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:45 pm

"An engine fire is a type of emergency that has never resulted in a passenger fatality (except, say, in the case of a BOAC 707 where the fuel was left pumping, and a couple of pax didn't get out after landing - I call that pilot error)."

Not so. British Airtours also had a serious engine fire on takeoff, on a 737-200, due to a catastrophic burner can rupture. The takeoff was aborted but there were many casualties. A similar incident happened to a Pacific Western 737-200 but happily all came out alive, to a Cameroon Air 737-200 (108 dead), to an Air Algérie 737-200 (97 plus 5 crew dead), Indian Airlines 737-200 (in-flight, 50 dead).

In fact if you do a search on airsafe.com you will find numerous engine fires that led to fatal consequences; some exacerbated by bad decisions on the flight deck, but some not.

You'll also find a disproportionate number of 737-200s involved in these accidents.

Any engine fire in flight is an emergency situation with potentially fatal consequences. Yes, pilots are trained to deal with them and yes, the media does exaggerate or use excessively colourful language. But it is definitely a "mayday" situation.

In fact it's a predictable pattern here: overly dramatic media account of an airliner emergency followed by A-netters pooh-poohing it into a minor or "routine" incident when, in fact, it is a serious in-flight emergency.

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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:50 pm

I could not agree with Backfire more. Great work by a highly trained crew. "Escapes Disaster" is a bit over the top! Glad no one was injured.
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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:17 am

What's wrong with everyone. Get a reality check. An engine fire is serious, dangeous and could lead to a chain reaction of events that could bring a plane down. I'd like to see how you all react sitting next to a blazing engine in a plane loaded with fuel. Geez.
 
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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:48 am

Did any of you people watch the show "Seconds from Disaster" on the National Geographic Channel? They investigated the crash of Concorde in July 2000. The chunks of rubber from the disintegrated tire DID NOT penetrate the wing fuel tank. The 10 lb. piece of rubber from the tire, at that speed it was traveling at, hit the wing tank, with such pressure that wing tank plug popped out, causing the fuel leak. The fuel was NOT ignited by engine exhaust, but by the landing gear control wire that was severed by another piece of rubber. The repeated attempts by the crew to raise the gear caused a spark, because the circuit was interrupted. The sparks from the wire ignited the fuel, causing the infamous fire that we all know too well today.

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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:31 am

The repeated attempts by the crew to raise the gear caused a spark, because the circuit was interrupted.

The Concorde in Paris was afire well before the crew tried to raise the gear. So the show is either wrong or you misunderstood.

http://www.concordesst.com/accident/accidentindex.html

You're right basically right about the tank though, except it blew out the bottom of the tank not a plug.

To stay on topic: No doubt an engine fire that is extinguished but forces a divert is a serious matter and the airplane needs to be on the ground ASAP. It is not the "omigod we're on FIRE" emergency that the press would like us to believe. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the PIA airplane just had a fault in the fire warning loop.

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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:46 am

I wouldn't be surprised if the PIA airplane just had a fault in the fire warning loop.

Avionics problems are usually not visible from the ground  Big grin

but yes, the whole thing was sensationalized...what's new?
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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:18 am

Eyewitnesses are usually unreliable.. particularly when interviewed by newspaper reporters. I stand by my statement.

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RE: PIA Airbus With 276 Passengers Escapes Disaster

Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:24 am

You people consider yourselves aviation enthusists? This is the most un-informed thread I've ever seen on this website.

Seriously, an engine failure is basically a non-event . Engine fire, maybe a little more excitment, but for the love of all things holy, this is still closer to a non-event than "DISASTER!!!!"

Planes don't fly on fairy dust magic boys and girls. Engines failures happen, are excpected to happen from time to time, and are well trained for.

Hats off to flight crew for a job well done, end of story.

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