mika10021
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Why Isn't JAL In An Alliance?

Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:53 pm

I don't know if this has been posted before but I was wondering why isn't JAL part of an alliance?ANA is and usually they copy each other.Have they even considered it?I hope I see them in Skyteam.
 
swissgabe
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RE: Why Isn't JAL In An Alliance?

Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:17 pm

I think there have been several rumors of JAL wanting to join Oneworld.

I'm fully aware of the advantages you have in an alliance but keep in mind, some carriers really don't need to be in an Alliance. SAA didn't see the point to be in an alliance for long time since they have mainly traffic from point A to South Africa/Southern Africa and return. Emirates eg., no need for an alliance. Swiss said similar things when they decided not to join Oneworld. Look at AerLinugs. Maybe JAL doesn't see any reason why they should join an alliance now, maybe they are undergoing studies, who knows ...
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chinaeastern
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RE: Why Isn't JAL In An Alliance?

Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:31 pm

JL is more a la oneworld, but so is SQ, who knows? i don't hope the end up in skyteam
 
N79969
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RE: Why Isn't JAL In An Alliance?

Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:08 pm

There was an article about this issue a while ago. Apparently JAL is very conservative and they were not easy to work with for companies like American Airlines which wanted to deepen the relationship beyond codesharing. In short they seem to have trouble integrating themselves into an alliance.
 
Jet-lagged
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RE: Why Isn't JAL In An Alliance?

Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:41 pm

Yeah, I agree with N79969. I see that is it very difficult for Japanese companies to integrate with overseas companies. Relational, cultural, technical, and business operational approaches are very different. Even once a degree of cooperation is done, it takes high maintenance to maintain them. So, I guess they just don't see the benefit for all the hassle it would take them, and they have other priorities for growing such as merging with JAS and expanding into China.

 
Ryanair!!!
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RE: Why Isn't JAL In An Alliance?

Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:47 pm

Totally agree, however, if you look at their code share partners, it seems to be inclined towards One World.
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N79969
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RE: Why Isn't JAL In An Alliance?

Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:52 pm

Jet-lagged,

I think you misunderstood me or perhaps I may have been unclear. The issues I am referring to are unique to JAL specifically. ANA on the other hand is a fully intergrated member of the Star Alliance.

JAL had plenty of opportunity to join an alliance well before they merged with JAS but didn't for whatever reasons. JAL's conservatism goes back a long way. I read somewhere else that they got in a dispute with United in the 1980s because they did not want to allow United to issue JAL tickets even though they were issuing United tickets.

 
chinaeastern
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RE: Why Isn't JAL In An Alliance?

Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:53 pm

yeap!!! agree with u guys. OW is not an alliance easy to intergrate into unlike star with so many members that u can choose a portion to coopertate with, which was what NH did. By the way, how many airlines does JL codeshare with?
 
Jet-lagged
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RE: Why Isn't JAL In An Alliance?

Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:07 pm

N79969,

Oh. Sorry if I agreed with you incorrectly.

I still think what I said about the difficulties of JAL integrating is true.

I was a bit unaware of the earlier failed attempt(s) and a good point is made about ANA.

To these I would say that ANA needs partners more for greater international reach. And that JAL being market leader feels more comfortable in a more independent approach. When i think of other market leaders in Japan (Toyota, Nikko Securities, the big four banks, the big retailers) I see that they are less inclined to significant international tie-ups than their smaller or weaker competitors.

I don't know enough about OneWorld to agree or disagree that they are more rigid or prescribed to work with than Star. But I suppose that must be true one way or the other!

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Mulder
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RE: Why Isn't JAL In An Alliance?

Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:32 pm

Codeshare? Air NZ for one. They have codeshare flights on NZ-Japan routes. Shame ANA doesn't serve Australasia.
 
AMS
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RE: Why Isn't JAL In An Alliance?

Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:53 pm

JAL Never really took a lot of effort in joining an alliance, However JAL has many codeshare-flights with different airlines. Also they have quite some agreements with airlines regarding frequent Flyer mileage etc..

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