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DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:54 pm

Can any one tell me where I can find information as to the N registration of the DC-10 that took off prior to the ill fated Concorde and reportedly left debris on the runway that may have casued the tires to rupture.
 
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:17 pm

I know it was A CO DC10..............N-number not sure .............still searching.

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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:27 pm

Found it.........COA Flight55, CDG/EWR. Aircraft was N13067.

http://www.bea-fr.org/anglaise/concorde-en.html

Go to section 16.6 of report. Appears to be wear strip from engine fan reverser cowl according to report, which is rather extensive and interesting reading.

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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:30 pm

Interestingly enough, that aircraft was scrapped this past summer in the desert.
 
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:37 pm

Thank you all verymuch, I was just trying to confirm another source that had told me that N14075 a Continental DC-10 was the culprit. Thanks again.
 
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:41 pm

Plane flew for EA as N391EA and AZ also as I-DYND.


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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:20 pm

The Thrust Reverser from which the 'rub strip' was believed to have come was removed from Ship 067 during the investigation. As far as I know it's still very much intact and under lock and key somewhere.
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:37 pm

Eastern Airlines operated that DC-10!
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:57 pm

Yes, EA did operate a number of DC-10's between Miami and Europe. Their L1011 fleet, as far as I understand did not have the range.
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:10 am

yep................EA among others operated that aircraft................see the above pics I posted.
 
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:37 am

The DC-10's that EA operated were leased from AZ. N14075 is currently flying with WO operating AMC trips from NGU to the Med.
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:46 am

The DC-10's that EA operated were leased from AZ.

Minor correction - EA purchased them outright. They weren't leased. Parent company Texas Air Corporation (later Continental Airlines Holdings) transferred the three DC-10s to CO after EA shut down in 1991.
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:57 am

Actually, I think that a.net member PizzandPlanes was ON this DC-10 departing Paris when the part came off!
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:59 am

Eastern stopped flying DC-10s months before January of 1991.

When EA sold their Latin America routes to AA in summer of 1990, EA retired its DC-10s. EA was not under Texas Air's umbrella during that time.



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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:07 am

September11:

Ah another EA thread.

Eastern was taken over by Texas Air Corp in 1986!
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:11 am

Did AF sue CO for the incident?? If the CO plane was maintained properly surely the piece would'nt have fallen off and endangered other aircraft???

It is the airlines responsibility for the maintaining of the aircraft. If they failed then they put other airliners at risk and should be held responsible for any incident.

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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:16 am

Bankruptcy court pulled Eastern Airlines out of Texas Air Corporation in summer of 1989. Judge kicked Frank Lorenzo and Texas Air out of Eastern and appointed a trustee to run Eastern.
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:31 am

September11:

You are correct, however, your original post sounded to me as if TAC had yet to be involved with EA, sorry if I mis-uderstood your post.

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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:44 am


It is the airlines responsibility for the maintaining of the aircraft. If they failed then they put other airliners at risk and should be held responsible for any incident.


It's also the airport's responsibility for keeping their runways clear - not the airlines'. This is mentioned in the interim report linked above, and the runway debris check schedule at CDG is compared with those from other airports around the world.

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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:28 am

CO acquired all three of EA's -10s (Ships 064,067,068 .. Boy, did I hate 068.. But that's another story) sometime prior to EA's demise.
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:39 am

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My mistake. Of course they did. I was in MIA when the first one arrived down there.

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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:45 am

PizzaAndPlanes was on that flight? I've never heard that story! Come on, John, tell us about it, or link us to where you already talked about it.
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:54 am

I think I read somewhere that co did get sued for leaving parts of their plane on the runway.

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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:01 am

Bankruptcy court pulled Eastern Airlines out of Texas Air Corporation in summer of 1989. Judge kicked Frank Lorenzo and Texas Air out of Eastern and appointed a trustee to run Eastern.

Correction: April 1990. The bankuptcy filing of EA was on March 9, 1989.

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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:10 am

iahcsr
What was the problem with 068. I did fly in all DC10's but since I didn't work with them, couldn't tell the difference. Except the DC-10-10's (pubs)
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:52 am

Was this a thread on the DC-10 Taking off before the ill fated Concorde flight or is it a thread on when EA went out of business?? and who bought who when
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:18 am

The only thing I really rember is begging to fly on concorde instead of flying on the co dc-10. While taxing before takeoff I said to myself while seeing the air france concorde board the passengers, man I wish I was on that flight I would get home sooooo much quicker. But in the end I made a lifesaving decison. Though I would of never flown on concorde because of the cost.
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:56 am

Thanks airEMS, it was as you ask about the DC-10 prior to the Concorde.
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:13 pm

"What was the problem with 068"
There was nothing wrong with the plane itself. The trouble was that it was left in the EA seating configuration for years and had no center overhead bins. It was always a pain to work because it's interior layout was different then the other 10's. Once it was finally refurbished into the BusinessFirst interior (Months after all the others) it was fine.
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:40 pm

Who cares about ship 068 and Eastern, that was not the subject of this topic....my question was answered. Leave other comments out of this please.
It was ship 067 that was the reported Concorde Killer and that was my question nothing else...Thank you and good night
 
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RE: DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash

Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:04 pm

As long as you got your answer, who cares where the thread goes? Apparently, you must be new to text based discussion. You will find that one thing leads to another.
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