njdevilsin03
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Spirit And The Carib

Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:26 pm

Look for a new flight from Spirit to another one of there latin america/Carib desinations to be announced sometime next week.
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chepos
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:03 pm

I know Santo Domingo has already been announced
so I would guess maybe Punta Cana, Caracas, Aruba, or maybe Montego Bay in Jamaica. These are just wild guesses.
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MAH4546
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:39 pm

It is Mexico City. Service starts 15 January 2005.
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chepos
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:31 pm

Wasn't MEX already announced a couple of weeks ago on the froums.
So its definitely MEX, not a new city which hasn't been mentioned ?
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flybyguy
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:35 pm

LCC's are wholly unoriginal when it comes to Caribbean and Latin American Destinations. After MEX, it'll probably be another city in the Dominican Republic...
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aer
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:52 pm

I agree with Flybyguy. They'll start service in Central America by 2010 after they complete the Caribbean.
nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
 
scottysair
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:03 am

Yes, I know about MEX service goes on January 15, 2005 and after with AM was suspended from last Spring 2004 and it is very poorly with the load factor and besides this could be work again for competitive with AA from MIA.
 
plaaneboy
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:08 am

It is Mexico City. Service starts 15 January 2005.

I've heard that NK hasn't committed to a date yet. It will be sometime before Q3 2005 though and that it depends on when they can have an A319 available for the route.
 
MAH4546
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Fri Sep 17, 2004 6:01 am

I've heard that NK hasn't committed to a date yet. It will be sometime before Q3 2005 though and that it depends on when they can have an A319 available for the route.

They have commited a date, 15 January 2005, daily with an M80. They are waiting for approval, and once received, probably early next week, they will be able to advertise and sell the flights.

Wasn't MEX already announced a couple of weeks ago on the froums.

Yes, but it has not been announced publicly.
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plaaneboy
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Fri Sep 17, 2004 6:25 am

They have commited a date, 15 January 2005, daily with an M80. They are waiting for approval, and once received, probably early next week, they will be able to advertise and sell the flights.

I'm hearing something very different from a VERY reliable source that it won't be an MD80 because of the weight penalties in MEX due to altitude and that 1/15/2005 is too early.
 
MAH4546
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Fri Sep 17, 2004 6:26 am

I'm hearing something very different from a VERY reliable source that it won't be an MD80 because of the weight penalties in MEX due to altitude and that 1/15/2005 is too early.

They filed with the US Department of Transportation with that date and with that aircraft type last week. Maybe Spirit has change thier mind since then, but they have yet to notify US-DOT about any such changes which affect their application for service.
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kim777fan
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:14 pm

I was sort of hoping it would be Aruba. It's one of the Caribbean destinations I really would like to go to (Providenciales and Barbados are the others) but don't yet have LCC service. Usually fares to Aruba are outrageous while plenty of bargains can be had to the Bahamas and the Dominican Republic.
 
kim777fan
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:16 pm

I was sort of hoping it would be Aruba. It's one of the Caribbean destinations I really would like to go to (Providenciales and Barbados are the others) but don't yet have LCC service. Usually fares to Aruba are outrageous while plenty of bargains can be had to the Bahamas and the Dominican Republic.
 
dutchjet
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:35 pm

If the US expansion plan at FLL goes through, whereby US plans to introduce service out of FLL to a good number of Carib/Latin American destination, I wonder what effect it will have on Spirit's FLL plans. Rumors have been flying around concerning Spirit opening a Latin American gateway/hub out of FLL for quite a while, but new flights are being announced rather slowly (I guess due to fleet limitations and aircraft availability.....at least until the A32X's arrive); while Spirit is doing a measured and controlled expansion, US made a big splash in the market by announcing a variety of new flights.

Do you think that Spirit will go head to head with US on its new routes out of FLL (Spirit and US, plus AA will all compete on FLL-SJU, for example), or will Spirit pick and chose routes where there will be no competition? It seems that, overnight, FLL will become a latin american gateway.....AA introduced a few flights to Latin America out of FLL over the past years mainly to solidify its position as the leading carrier to the carib/latin american region out of South Florida, and suddenly, 2 other airlines have major plans for FLL. Can all of these airlines make it at FLL with respect to latin america, and what impact will all of this have on MIA, the traditional gateway to the region?
 
MAH4546
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:58 pm

Do you think that Spirit will go head to head with US on its new routes out of FLL

Yes, they will not let US Airways stop them. They have a slight advantage, offering lower fares and being the Miami-Fort Lauderdale area's home airline.

(Spirit and US, plus AA will all compete on FLL-SJU, for example),

They all will be competing on FLL-SDQ too.

It seems that, overnight, FLL will become a latin american gateway.....

It will be more of a Caribbean/Central America gateway. Service to South America will likely not be anything outside of what they have now, BOG and CCS.

Can all of these airlines make it at FLL with respect to latin america,

AA will run those flights no matter what. They can lose money all they want, but they want to protect marketshare. Of AA's FLL-PAP/SDQ/CCS routes, FLL-CCS is the only one that makes a constant profit, though the losses that FLL-PAP/SDQ take make-up for the protected marketshare.

and what impact will all of this have on MIA, the traditional gateway to the region?

MIA will remain the larger gateway, no doubts. FLL barely has the capacity to handle many more international flights.
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luisde8cd
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:21 am

FLL-CCS is the only one that makes a constant profit

FLL-CCS flight is a success, but it has a big disadvantage... the CCS-FLL departs at 4:30pm, thus making connections in FLL impossible. Could this be because AA wants to route its connecting pax thru MIA and not FLL?

As a side note... I was checking prices for a CCS-BOS-CCS roundtrip. The routing I got from AA.com was:

CCS-MIA MIA-BOS Feb 13rd '05
BOS-FLL FLL-CCS Feb 21st '05
 
chepos
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:43 am

Luis Dc8 Im prety sure AA has the FLL-CCS-FLL route mainly for O&D, Im sure its not really catering to connections out of FLL. Thats why the have CCS-MIA, pax are offered a wide array of connections through MIA.
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MAH4546
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Sat Sep 18, 2004 1:20 am

FLL-CCS flight is a success, but it has a big disadvantage... the CCS-FLL departs at 4:30pm, thus making connections in FLL impossible.

That is not a disadvanatge. AA doens't want connecting passengers on those flights. They will rarely ever offer it as a connection and when they do, the fare is almost always higher than connecting via JFK, DFW, MIA, or SJU. Also, AA does not sell CCS-FLL-XXX flights, nor do they sell PAP-FLL-XXX or SDQ-FLL-XXX. Those flights arrive in FLL at a different terminal building (T4) before being towed to AA's gates in T3.
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latinaviation
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:34 pm

Maybe Spirit has change thier mind since then, but they have yet to notify US-DOT about any such changes which affect their application for service.

It would only be a minor change and not one that would affect their route approval. The difference between an A-319 and an MD-80 is not that great.

I'm hearing something very different from a VERY reliable source that it won't be an MD80 because of the weight penalties in MEX due to altitude and that 1/15/2005 is too early.

Given that Plaaneboy recently left his Texas stomping ground to essentially head up Spirit's Latin American division, I would bet he is dead-on.
 
N830MH
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RE: Spirit And The Carib

Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:10 am

MAH4546,

I spoke with my friend at FLL yesterday and told me about announcement goes on October 7 or 8 and it should need to wait until to get with the news is come in.

Regards